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Old 03-19-2008, 09:49 PM
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It sounds like Obama's father abandoned him, but he rationalized it as being either his mother's fault or the white man's fault. At least your four children have had a stable two parent environment. The father of your children was always in contact with them, right? After the age of 3, Obama never saw his dad again. Then his stepfather was Indonesian.

I am full blooded Chinese and my stepfather is Caucasian. I never went through any periods of issues with my racial identity. And I never got mad at my white stepdad for replacing my Chinese father. And neither did my two sisters

Your role model was your mother. Obama's role model should have been his dad, i.e. therefore the problems, which I can well understand. Your situation is not the same as his. Plus not everyone reacts the same. The main thing is that whatever he went through, he turned out just fine, so it really has no bearing.


If he loved his mother consistently, then why did he write those angry hatefilled comments about her race, and his not being of the same race as her, and negative things about the white race in general? Obama was 34 years of age when that book was published. At 34 years old, you can't use youthful rebellion as an excuse for those sentiments of his.
He was 34 when the book was published saying how he struggled as a youth and was courageous enough to admit the troubled feelings some kids have at a certain stage in their life.
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:51 PM
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Then quit making general statements painting ALL of us as fearful ninnies.
coz u are fearful ninnies
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Old 03-20-2008, 07:30 AM
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Then quit making general statements painting ALL of us as fearful ninnies.
You should read better and not accuse wrongly. I spoke about one other person but I'm sure there are many others like that if Obama's grandmother thought the same and my in-laws thought the same. You should think more highly of yourself than calling yourself a ninnie. I never thought that. Again, it's not about you.
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. It seems to me that Barack Obama is the ultimate chameleon. He is easily influenced and fungible. He's constantly reinventing himself.
This is one way to look at it.
Another way to see it is to be encouraged by the fact that Obama has a much broader perspective. His vision extends from his own roots to that of the rest of the world.
I think his mother had the same global perspective--she passed it on to him.
This is the kind of thinking I want in a leader. I want a president who is a global citizen, one who actually has some appreciation of other civilizations.
A free Spirit who set Obama's path
In Hawaii, she married an African student at age 18. Then she married an Indonesian, moved to Jakarta, became an anthropologist, wrote an 800-page dissertation on peasant blacksmithing in Java, worked for the Ford Foundation, championed women’s work and helped bring microcredit to the world’s poor.
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Old 03-20-2008, 09:04 AM
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Stanley Ann's associations at the University of Hawaii were all of the radical left and includeed Socialists, Communists and members of the Black Liberation Party. It has been reported that she had several short lived romatic liasons with members of these groups and participated in rallies and fundraisers for them. Her relationship with Obama Sr. began at one of these events. Obama Senior often referred to himself as an "African Revolutionary". Within short order they married. Stanley Ann had a brief pregnancy after her marriage that only lasted 6 months before she gave birth to Obama Jr.

Obama Sr. had no need for another wife as he already had one awaiting his return in Kenya. He abandoned Stanley Ann and Junior and returned to Africa.

Obama Jr was passed back and forth between Stanley Ann and her parents for a while. Staley Ann had little time for child raising since she was heavily engaged with Communist Party political activities at this time. She also carried on a series of romantic encounters. One of these resulted in a marriage proposal from an Indonesian Communist. Stanley Ann and Obama Jr soon were on their way to Indonesia. Stanley Ann became very active in the Indonesian Communist party. Obama Jr moved from Stanley Ann's care to her in-laws and then to a private nurse. Later he would enroll at a series of schools. Within 2 years Stanley Ann discovered that her new husband had several mistresses and consorts. There is some evidence that Stanley Ann contracted an STD from her new husband.

When Obama returned to HI to live with his grandparents he was bitter toward his mother and the white race. Teenage Obama stated frequently to friends that he "couldn't stand" his mother. He would not read her letters and would not talk to her on the phone.

Yet he embraced her Communist Ideology! Several of Stanley Ann's old Communist party friends reached out to young Obama at this time. Among them was Frank Marshall Davis who had been investigated and identified by the FBI and House Committee on Un-American Activities as a Communist organizer. Obama soon became like a son to Davis. At Davis' knee Obama learned the ideology of Marxx and Lennin, the violent communism that seeks to overthrow capitalism and democracy by force and the slithering snakelike communism that seeks to overthrow Democracy from within.
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Stanley Ann's associations at the University of Hawaii were all of the radical left and includeed Socialists, Communists and members of the Black Liberation Party. It has been reported that she had several short lived romatic liasons with members of these groups and participated in rallies and fundraisers for them. Her relationship with Obama Sr. began at one of these events. Obama Senior often referred to himself as an "African Revolutionary". Within short order they married. Stanley Ann had a brief pregnancy after her marriage that only lasted 6 months before she gave birth to Obama Jr.

Obama Sr. had no need for another wife as he already had one awaiting his return in Kenya. He abandoned Stanley Ann and Junior and returned to Africa.

Obama Jr was passed back and forth between Stanley Ann and her parents for a while. Staley Ann had little time for child raising since she was heavily engaged with Communist Party political activities at this time. She also carried on a series of romantic encounters. One of these resulted in a marriage proposal from an Indonesian Communist. Stanley Ann and Obama Jr soon were on their way to Indonesia. Stanley Ann became very active in the Indonesian Communist party. Obama Jr moved from Stanley Ann's care to her in-laws and then to a private nurse. Later he would enroll at a series of schools. Within 2 years Stanley Ann discovered that her new husband had several mistresses and consorts. There is some evidence that Stanley Ann contracted an STD from her new husband.

When Obama returned to HI to live with his grandparents he was bitter toward his mother and the white race. Teenage Obama stated frequently to friends that he "couldn't stand" his mother. He would not read her letters and would not talk to her on the phone.

Yet he embraced her Communist Ideology! Several of Stanley Ann's old Communist party friends reached out to young Obama at this time. Among them was Frank Marshall Davis who had been investigated and identified by the FBI and House Committee on Un-American Activities as a Communist organizer. Obama soon became like a son to Davis. At Davis' knee Obama learned the ideology of Marxx and Lennin, the violent communism that seeks to overthrow capitalism and democracy by force and the slithering snakelike communism that seeks to overthrow Democracy from within.
where did u plagiarize that??
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:26 AM
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I wrote that myself after spending 4 1/2 hours researching Obama's bio online. There is a lot of information about Stanley Ann. Here are some more tidbits:

* Stanley Ann's father considered himself a socialist. He moved the family away from their Kansas home to the west coast so that Stanley Ann could attend a high school that employed two fanatical leftist teachers. Stanley Ann spent many hours studying privately with one of them who reportedly seduced her when she was 17.
* The move to Hawaii was planned because, at that time, the U of HI had become a gathering point for the far left radicals including the American Workers Party, American Communist Party, The Black Panthers and other leftist fringe groups. It also drew communists and socialist from other countries. Both Obama's natural father and his stepfather were communists who came to study at the U of HI.
* Frank Marshall Davis was a black poet and communist labor organizer who lived near the U of HI. He was in his late 50's when Stanley Ann, then 19 enrolled at the U of HI. They became good friends when Stanley Ann became active in the leftist groups there. Some have suggested that there may have been a romantic relationship. Stanley Ann was known to have many lovers within the movement.
* There is no doubt that when Obama returned to HI to live with his grandparents he was directed to Frank Davis. Some believe that Stanley Ann arranged it. Others have suggested that her father did.
* What is particularly curious is that Frank Davis, known Communist labor organizer, poet, former black newspaper writer and editor had no visible source of income while living in one of the most expensive cities in the world--Honalulu. His poety would not have been enough to support his lifestyle. Some have suggested that his income was supplimented by the Communist Parety, USA to organize and teach young black radicals.
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:43 AM
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As a parent I always told my children not to hang around with the wrong people because even if you aren't doing anything bad, you are guilty by association. Even today if I feel uncomfortable with someone, I avoid them. Isn't that what our conscience tells us to do, avoid things we think aren't good or right?
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Are you saying Obama is a bastard?
The hospital records show Obama was born almost to the day 6 months after Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. married. I didn't use that word.
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Old 03-21-2008, 02:38 PM
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this post is designed to smear obama's mother. Unless you find concrete evidence i suggest you let her rest in peace.
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