Obama has proven Communist ties! (vote, campaign, revolution, McCain)

[sean98125]

Originally Posted by Haaziq

The U.S. Democrat party was founded on socialist and communist ideology after they didn't agree with the free market capitalism the nation was built on. What's your point?

Please enlighten us on the communist and socialist elements of Andrew Jackson's platform, and the leftist ideology of the Democrats who advocated secession in 1861.

[expat007]

Originally Posted by sean98125

Please enlighten us on the communist and socialist elements of Andrew Jackson's platform, and the leftist ideology of the Democrats who advocated secession in 1861.

I DONT THINK THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE S TALKING ABOUT....i will let the others discuss his arab sounding alias and stockholm syndrome and jack bauer syndrome LOL


but the two present parties used to be one: republican democrats (or something)

[Haaziq]

Originally Posted by sean98125

Please enlighten us on the communist and socialist elements of Andrew Jackson's platform, and the leftist ideology of the Democrats who advocated secession in 1861.

All you have to do is research it. Around the time of the Founding Fathers being alive, we had the classical liberals. They believed in all the social freedoms that democrats do today (gay rights, abortion, etc). They also supported free market capitalism. Later, some of the classical liberals became "seduced" by socialist ideology and began to believe that the government should get involved in the economy. They are now what we call the modern liberals. The classical liberals are now known as Libertarians.


Things such as welfare, social security, etc, have socialist roots. These things were brought about by Democrats. The New Deal comes to mind.

[MiamiU08]

Originally Posted by Haaziq

Later, some of the classical liberals became "seduced" by socialist ideology and began to believe that the government should get involved in the economy. They are now what we call the modern liberals. The classical liberals are now known as Libertarians.


Things such as welfare, social security, etc, have socialist roots. These things were brought about by Democrats. The New Deal comes to mind.

Haaziq is correct to a certain point. Around the time of the Great Depression, it became evident that there may be a need for the government to provide a safety net - "social security" - to the citizens of this country participating in capitalism and using the free market system. The idea is that with a bare minimum standard of living promised to working Americans, they will take greater free market risks, because they know the safety net will catch them at just above the level of poverty if they should fall. This is one aspect of democratic socialism. The one that is overlooked more often is the immense infrastructure that facilitates the free market system in this country - things like the previously regulated airline, rail, and trucking industries, the highway system, etc. All socialistic ideas, all very important to business yesterday and today.

[bentlebee]

Originally Posted by Major Minor

Notably his association with Communist leader Frank Marshall Davis whom Obama refers to simply as "Frank" ion his first book. Obama calls him a father figure and mentor. Frank Davis was identified by the house committee on un-American activities as a Communist labor organizer. It is interesting to note that Obama worked in labor organizations in Chicago after finishing law school.

Here are 3 articles about Obama's relationship with Frank Davis:

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

http://www.mail-archive.com/libertarianexchange@yahoogroups.com/msg01314.html

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/02/obamas_communis.html

There are literally hundreds of hits when you google Obama Communism. These are three of the first that I read. If these don't agree with you, rest assured there are plenty more that might.

Obama's mother Stanley Ann, though not a card carrying Communist, had romantic relationships with campus radicals and attended Communist functions at the University of HI. At one of those functions she met Obama Sr. who described himself as an "African revolutionary". They married and after a short six month pregnancy Stanley Ann gave birth to Obama Jr.

Obama Sr. soon abandoned his wife and child and returned to Africa. Young Obama, Jr was passed back and forth between his mother and grandparents. Stanley Ann had little time for child rearing because she was a campus activist for the Radical left and had a series of short lived romantic liasons. The last of these produced a marriage proposal from an Indonesian leftist. They married and Stanley Ann took baby Obama with her to Indonesia.

There was an active Communist party in Indonesia and Stanley Ann soon fell into working with them. She was accepted immediately. Her new husband, on the other hand, rarely participated and frequently disappeared for long periods without explanation. Within 2 years Stanley Ann learned that her new husband had several consorts and mistresses. His attitude toward young Obama has been described as "cold and uncaring".

There is no doubt that Stanley Ann's radical Communism rubbed off on her son and formed the basis for his early belief. Indeed when young Obama returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents, there is strong evidence that seems to indicate that Stanley Ann's old radical friends reached out to young Obama. Among them was Frank Davis. Frank Davis had, by this time, participated in violent acts against the "white establishment" and had written of his exploits for the Communist newspaper. Obama became Frank Davis' shadow in Hawaii during these formative years of high school and shortly thereafter. At his knee Obama learned black radicalism, revolution and Communism. As Obama states in his book Dreams from my Father, Davis became a father figure and mentor.

It is shocking but on the otherhand I knew more was coming out and more to come.

[Haaziq]

Originally Posted by expat007

I DONT THINK THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE S TALKING ABOUT....i will let the others discuss his arab sounding alias and stockholm syndrome and jack bauer syndrome LOL


but the two present parties used to be one: republican democrats (or something)

It's Democratic Republicans for your information.

Do your research before you try to criticize me.

And learn how to use proper punctuation for crying out loud.

[expat007]

Originally Posted by MiamiU08

Haaziq is correct to a certain point. Around the time of the Great Depression, it became evident that there may be a need for the government to provide a safety net - "social security" - to the citizens of this country participating in capitalism and using the free market system. The idea is that with a bare minimum standard of living promised to working Americans, they will take greater free market risks, because they know the safety net will catch them at just above the level of poverty if they should fall. This is one aspect of democratic socialism. The one that is overlooked more often is the immense infrastructure that facilitates the free market system in this country - things like the previously regulated airline, rail, and trucking industries, the highway system, etc. All socialistic ideas, all very important to business yesterday and today.

LOL the great depression is in 1930s, when the central bankers messed up the economy like they have now.

the dude is talking about gay rights and abortion at the inception of the present day parties 1830s or so !!!!

the present day republicans started because they opposed SLAVERY !!!!! THE KANSAS act, mainly based on ecomonics i guess lol free-market labour is better than slavery i guess lol

[sean98125]

Originally Posted by Haaziq

All you have to do is research it. Around the time of the Founding Fathers being alive, we had the classical liberals. They believed in all the social freedoms that democrats do today (gay rights, abortion, etc). They also supported free market capitalism. Later, some of the classical liberals became "seduced" by socialist ideology and began to believe that the government should get involved in the economy. They are now what we call the modern liberals. The classical liberals are now known as Libertarians.


Things such as welfare, social security, etc, have socialist roots. These things were brought about by Democrats. The New Deal comes to mind.

All of the founding fathers were classical liberals.

I would love to see you pull up any quote from any of the founding fathers that showed that they supported gay rights or abortion. Just one.

Things like welfare and social security also have Christian roots.

[Haaziq]

Originally Posted by sean98125

All of the founding fathers were classical liberals.

I would love to see you pull up any quote from any of the founding fathers that showed that they supported gay rights or abortion. Just one.

Things like welfare and social security also have Christian roots.

They didn't pass legislation against it.

And for the record, the Founding Fathers leaned towards deism, not Christianity. Deism is the belief in the creator, but it is not a personal God. There aren't prayers or a certain way of living. It's just a belief. That's why they didn't make laws based on Christian beliefs.

And gay marriage has existed longer than you think. Ask a sociologist.

[Sunshine Chick]

For some reason I do not think we have saw all the skeletons in Obamas dirty closet yet. And no matter the facts that back them up, the Obama followers still continue to support him and his band of hate mongers.
So, if more of this type of information that comes out and is found to be true and factual, will the Obama supporters still hold the mans hand after he has lied to us all and that is a fact!
No matter what comes out, the man lied to us all. That's all you should need.