Obama has proven Communist ties! (voting, generation, patriot, Republican)

[Besitomio]

Good Grief, you can't be serious!

(Or to quote Hawkeye, from M*A*S*H..."Are you Cereal, Frank?!")

[Major Minor]

It is obvious that the MTV generation has no concept of the evils of communism since they didn't live through the cold war. Yes we trade with China and other communist nations. That's not the point. Do you know about the lack of human rights and personal freedom in China and other Communist countries? Surely you have heard of the "sweat shops" and child labor.

I don't know if Obama is a communist or was influenced by reading Lennin and Marxx or having known communist Frank Davis as his personal mentor and friend. Obama's vison for the United States to share it's wealth with the world sure sounds communistic to me. Our government already has wsome socialistic programs. If Obama is elected and establishes more won't that tip the scale away from the freedom of capitalism and democracy toward socialism?

Just asking

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by domergurl

LOL

These cold war fear mongers need to get a grip. If communism was so bad, why is China one of our largest trading partners? And we do bid-ness with Vietnam don't we?

So you support communism? I always knew the moderators here were liberal, but supporting communism? Wow.. thats bad..

[expat007]

Originally Posted by Major Minor

It is obvious that the MTV generation has no concept of the evils of communism since they didn't live through the cold war. Yes we trade with China and other communist nations. That's not the point. Do you know about the lack of human rights and personal freedom in China and other Communist countries? Surely you have heard of the "sweat shops" and child labor.

I don't know if Obama is a communist or was influenced by reading Lennin and Marxx or having known communist Frank Davis as his personal mentor and friend. Obama's vison for the United States to share it's wealth with the world sure sounds communistic to me. Our government already has wsome socialistic programs. If Obama is elected and establishes more won't that tip the scale away from the freedom of capitalism and democracy toward socialism?

Just asking

oh gimme some of that seflf-righteous KoolAId!!

American Indian genocide
Slavery
Couple Nuke tests on japan
Vietnam/korea


government handouts to banks, corporations to save their butts when they fail !!

Socialism for the rich !!

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by expat007

oh gimme some of that seflf-righteous KoolAId!!

American Indian genocide
Slavery
Couple Nuke tests on japan
Vietnam/korea

government handouts to banks, corporations to save their butts when they fail !!

Socialism for the rich !!

Tell me where anyone on here supported any of those actions or had anything to do with it... Until then your saying. blah blah blah blah blah...

[Major Minor]

Originally Posted by expat007

oh gimme some of that seflf-righteous KoolAId!!

American Indian genocide
Slavery
Couple Nuke tests on japan
Vietnam/korea


government handouts to banks, corporations to save their butts when they fail !!

Socialism for the rich !!

Comeon, that's a cop out!!

[kungfulou]

Originally Posted by pghquest

I note how you did not answer the question.

sure you are
I have some ocean front property in Iowa for sale, interested?

[MiamiU08]

There seems to be an egregious gap in concepts by these posters who throw around the terms "communism" and "socialism" whimsically. For those who lived through the development of such movements in Europe, there should be a better grasp of what they mean. For a quick definition:

Socialism - term used to refer to an economic system characterized by state ownership of the means of production and distribution.

Communism - socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production; considered a branch of the broader socialist movement

The United States is a mixed economy, one that uses many socialistic programs to support capitalism, with many industries partially regulated and the government playing an active role in industries vital to the success of the country (eg. mail, some utilities, etc)

Originally Posted by Major Minor

It is obvious that the MTV generation has no concept of the evils of communism since they didn't live through the cold war. Yes we trade with China and other communist nations. That's not the point. Do you know about the lack of human rights and personal freedom in China and other Communist countries?

I suppose I'll take the term "MTV Generation" on the chin, despite my disdain for their programming... We had the advantage of growing up (mostly) in a time beyond the Cold War - a time without the fear of communism that plagued generations before us. We have been told in every history lesson we have ever had about the lack of human rights/social justice in Communist countries. In our teachings, however, it was made clear to us that these are not problems for the US Government to solve - they are problems that only these countries can work out on their own.
As for trade with China - a large part of my career is dedicated to corporate social responsibility in the trade circuit: setting up socially responsible supply chains, developing suppliers and standards in other countries, and distilling Western business principles to viable companies in these areas. A decidedly capitalistic approach to these injustices, and one that is being promoted by leading edge companies. None of the candidates wants to see a slide into a communist (or even socialist) state. The democratic candidates want to provide an opportunity for all to thrive in this country, not eliminate classes entirely.

Originally Posted by Major Minor

Obama's vison for the United States to share it's wealth with the world sure sounds communistic to me.

I still have not seen any context in which this has been stated, implicitly or explicitly, despite asking for evidence of it. The closest thing I can find to what you are talking about is fighting global poverty and expand economic aid to Israel, which are efforts of current, and many past administrations, and ones that Sen. Obama seeks to expand within his tenure By the way, sharing one nation's wealth with another... not Communistic. Keeping that wealth within a government-controlled, socialistic society - that is Communism.

Does that sound communistic to you?

[sean98125]

Originally Posted by Major Minor

It is obvious that the MTV generation has no concept of the evils of communism since they didn't live through the cold war. Yes we trade with China and other communist nations. That's not the point. Do you know about the lack of human rights and personal freedom in China and other Communist countries? Surely you have heard of the "sweat shops" and child labor.

I don't know if Obama is a communist or was influenced by reading Lennin and Marxx or having known communist Frank Davis as his personal mentor and friend. Obama's vison for the United States to share it's wealth with the world sure sounds communistic to me. Our government already has wsome socialistic programs. If Obama is elected and establishes more won't that tip the scale away from the freedom of capitalism and democracy toward socialism?

Just asking

Communism is dead. The free market is taking root in China, and in another generation or two we'll see it begin to take root in North Korea, Cuba and the few other countries that still claim to practice it.

As far as sharing the wealth, it may sound communistic to you but it sounds like Christianity to me.

[Major Minor]

I find it offensive that you are trying to portray communism as innocuous. It is as deadly as ever! Obama certainly has ties to it and believe me they will come out if he gets the nomination. The Repubs are ready to pounce on this issue!

Also offensive to me is your trying to tie Hillary and the mainstream Democratic party to far left doctrine. Certainly, I agree there is a move toward the left in some parts of the rank and file party membership. But by the same token, the history of Democratic liberals represented by Humphrey, McGovern and Mondale being solidly defeated taught us that Liberal philosophy would not be accepted by the more moderate Democrats. The party is clearly moderate and is best represented by a moderate candidate--Hillary Clinton. If Obama wins the nomination the Repubs will identify him with the leftist liberal agenda. That will pull support from the majority of moderate Democrats and Obama will lose the election.

Look at it this way
Obama and Hillary split the Democratic vote which represents about 49 percent. If Hill wins she will carry the liberal vote. If Obama wins he will lose the moderate vote.

The Repubs know this. That's why they are supporting Obama. They know that by painting him as a Liberal they slpit the Democratic vote---which will give them the win in November!