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Old 03-21-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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Between his racist preacher of 20 years, his "typical white person" stereotyping, AND his overall inexperience; I can't vote for him and even imagine this country would be any better off in 4 years if he won.

He's a typical politician who says one thing and does another -- but the worst part about it is that he isn't even an EXPERIENCED politician! To actually be any type of uniter and unifier, he would need to have a lot more political experience and more people in Washington who "owe" him. He needs more people from diverse backgrounds supporting him, not just the ultra-liberal Teddy Kennedys.

I hope the liberal Democrats are happy in November when the moderates swing over to the other party because they are running a more moderate candidate.
Look. Hate to bust your bubble, but McCain is not going to win in November. There has been historic turn out in the Democratic party, voting.
McCain doesn't have a chance against Clinton or Obama.

He's no moderate. He's a liberal, calling himself Republican.
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:18 PM
 
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What I don't get is his "aw shucks, I'm not like these other candidates" schtick while being quite a savvy politician and people BELIEVE he's different! Of COURSE he's not a unifier -- just a brief listen to the rhetoric in this country now is proof of that! He's the kid who teases a flock of chickens and then runs away for the next passers-by to get pecked.
Saavy politician.....Don't you need some experience to be that?
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:52 PM
 
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The best thing that can happen for Obama is to say that the Rev Wright should apologise like Imus and others did. I do not hear anyone saying this among black leaders.They in fact keep trying to justify the double satndard when they have set the standard in the first palce.The more Obama trys to talk around it the worse it gets.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Between his racist preacher of 20 years, his "typical white person" stereotyping, AND his overall inexperience; I can't vote for him and even imagine this country would be any better off in 4 years if he won.

He's a typical politician who says one thing and does another -- but the worst part about it is that he isn't even an EXPERIENCED politician! To actually be any type of uniter and unifier, he would need to have a lot more political experience and more people in Washington who "owe" him. He needs more people from diverse backgrounds supporting him, not just the ultra-liberal Teddy Kennedys.

I hope the liberal Democrats are happy in November when the moderates swing over to the other party because they are running a more moderate candidate.
I didn't know the majority of Democrats in this country (who have supported Obama more than Clinton so far according to the caucuses and primaries) are ultra-liberal Ted Kennedys.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:21 PM
 
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Look. Hate to bust your bubble, but McCain is not going to win in November. There has been historic turn out in the Democratic party, voting.
McCain doesn't have a chance against Clinton or Obama.
When they've gone back into states that Hillary won in the primaries (like New Jersey) and polled voters to see who they would vote for if it were McCain versus Obama, McCain wins. Chances are, Obama would not carry many states since he won in states that usually go Republican anyway.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Saavy politician.....Don't you need some experience to be that?
Of course not. You simply need a good campaign manager/strategist. Didn't you learn anything from Dubya's election?
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:38 PM
 
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Default Divisive?

Its strange but no one has really mentioned what Sen. Obama has said or done which is divisive. First, I don't accept the truism that Rev. Wright is a racist and Rev. Wright is the one who said what he said. Secondly, do you really think Obama was criticizing the grandmother who raised him? There have been repearted statements about 'what if that was said about a black person?" Well, if you have a black grandmother you can describe her habits as just like a black person if you wanna!

Obama has:

1. Won every election with a diverse group of supporters. His state senate district was about 35% white. IL for sure is not majority black and he won the state handily.

2. Won in Iowa, Vermont and Wyoming, showing he can reach out to folks who don't necessarily look like him.

3. Has never run a sixties-style, 'throw the white folks out' campaign. His young supporters are a remarkably inclusive group.

4. Has not appealed to partisanship or to limited groups, such as pandering to evangelical groups or gun owners.

Basically, the statement that Obama is divisive is pure garbage. Next time add some verification for a limited opinion.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:40 PM
 
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When they've gone back into states that Hillary won in the primaries (like New Jersey) and polled voters to see who they would vote for if it were McCain versus Obama, McCain wins. Chances are, Obama would not carry many states since he won in states that usually go Republican anyway.
Yes, but you seem to forget this year has seen a record democratic voter turnout. Many places twice the number of republicans. The democratics are energized this year. So saying he wont carry many states doesn't really have a strong foundation.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:42 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default yes he is divisive

He separates those who are enlightened, progressive, educated, not racist, and intelligent, from those who are not.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:44 PM
 
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why the many Obama threads by Hillary supporters? You weren't going to vote for him anyways so your points are moot. Divisive? I would say Hillary is more than Obama could ever be. Wait until the Repubs get ahold of her and all the muck they drag back up from the scandals and impeachment from the 90s.

Somebody said his pastor should apologize for his comments and my question is why? He is a pastor of one church and not anywhere near the status Imus had in public. Obama denounced his pastor's comments already but some of you like to beat a dead horse into the ground. Obama did NOT utter these comments his pastor did.
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