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Old 03-24-2008, 06:43 PM
 
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I just find it amusing that when you ask for positive input from John McCain supporters, you get the equivalent of a cyber "blank stare", a couple of "sound byte" pat answers, or a "lesser evil" type explanation. No actual discussion or real debate on what he may bring to the Presidency if elected. I'm actually disappointed the Republicans did not nominate a better, younger, more inspiring and conservative candidate. I guess most Republicans are too. Didn't they have ANYONE in their ranks who could have brought a fresher perspective to represent the GOP? Same stale old white guys all the time.
I wish we could have nominated those things too. I don't hold age or color against any nominee ("stale old white guy"), but he is just barely a Republican and even less a conservative. But he is the least socialist of the three and that means something to me.
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Old 03-24-2008, 07:41 PM
 
Location: CO Springs
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There isn't a government in the history of the world, including our own, that hasn't been found to use its ability to spy on its own people against the people. Your faith in Big Brother is troubling, but I could see why you would vote McCain. Anyone who values more war, higher deficits, and bigger government intrusions in our lives would surely be happy with him.
If you are set against government intrusions why place the government in control of more of our hard earned dollars. I do not want the government taking my money and spending it foolishly. Why don't the liberal "government control everything crowd" give all their money to the government since they have great trust in the government's ability to take care of us all. You care so much about someone listening in to your conversations but you dont care about the same government telling you which doctor to go to.

Can those of us that trust ourselves rather than the government just opt out of these tax increases. I don't want a government handout and i do not want to pay for a government handout.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:23 PM
 
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If you are set against government intrusions why place the government in control of more of our hard earned dollars. I do not want the government taking my money and spending it foolishly. Why don't the liberal "government control everything crowd" give all their money to the government since they have great trust in the government's ability to take care of us all. You care so much about someone listening in to your conversations but you dont care about the same government telling you which doctor to go to.

Can those of us that trust ourselves rather than the government just opt out of these tax increases. I don't want a government handout and i do not want to pay for a government handout.
I do agree with that. While it is nice to have some basic social services provided, a healthy military etc., I would much rather keep more of my money and allocate it where needed. We waste billions in the budget yearly, it is a disgrace!!

The problem with this is a lot of people today can't save money nor do they have the common sense to budget money to save their own hide. Watch an hour of Suzie Orman..

Anyway, back to McCain, I think the reason he is not getting discussed very much here is people seem to overwhelmingly be Dems here and McCain has secured his nomination so he kind of is getting a free pass for awhile.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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If you are set against government intrusions why place the government in control of more of our hard earned dollars. I do not want the government taking my money and spending it foolishly. Why don't the liberal "government control everything crowd" give all their money to the government since they have great trust in the government's ability to take care of us all. You care so much about someone listening in to your conversations but you dont care about the same government telling you which doctor to go to.

Can those of us that trust ourselves rather than the government just opt out of these tax increases. I don't want a government handout and i do not want to pay for a government handout.


One can agree or disagree in regards to our taxing/spending policy, while recognizing that granting broad, unchecked surveillance powers to the government absent any oversight is a recipe for abuse, as has been shown time and again throughout the 20th century.
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Old 03-24-2008, 11:24 PM
 
Location: CO Springs
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One can agree or disagree in regards to our taxing/spending policy, while recognizing that granting broad, unchecked surveillance powers to the government absent any oversight is a recipe for abuse, as has been shown time and again throughout the 20th century.
I am not stating that there has not been abuses because i have not read up on all the facts. Has there been people that have come forward in the recent years to state that they were targeted unfairly by federal govenment? Where the federal government stated they were involved in terrorism when they were not?

I do not think McCain wants to target the average American and listen in to their conversations about politics, work related, soccer pratice scheduling, and all other non-threatening conversations. I do think that if an individual is plotting an act of terrorism the government has an obligation to protect us. In the age we live in some latitude must be given to our government to protect us.

I do agree we should have some checks and balances.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:11 AM
 
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One can agree or disagree in regards to our taxing/spending policy, while recognizing that granting broad, unchecked surveillance powers to the government absent any oversight is a recipe for abuse, as has been shown time and again throughout the 20th century.
i think that more americans are concerned with their paychecks, where their money is going, and how they can hang onto some of their own money than with the issue of surveillance since most of us have nothing to hide.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:24 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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i think that more americans are concerned with their paychecks, where their money is going, and how they can hang onto some of their own money than with the issue of surveillance since most of us have nothing to hide.
I agree. At least in my case, if I ever did anything illegal, it would be out of ignorance of the law rather than malicious intent.

For as hideously complicated as the IRS code is, effective federal tax rates in the US are actually quite low, for everybody in all tax brackets.

I remember many people feeling quite relieved in the 1980s after the tax reforms were passed: it actually makes sense to earn as much as possible and report it all; though, sadly, according to the IRS website, 15% of the population still does not comply.

Nonetheless, do we really want to return to the previous situation, to a situation in a country like Italy, for example, where taxes are so high that something like 50% of the population has to play the evasion game as a question of mere survival, significantly exacerbating the horrible situation we are already in as a result of irresponsible monetary policy?

At the least, John McCain's platform includes keeping existing tax policy pretty much in place. Certainly Clinton cannot be trusted under any circumstances, while Obama, an unknown quantity, may attempt to run amok, especially if he has a majority in Congress. It may be too risky.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:35 AM
 
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Because he is the only candidate that can use this cool slogan on bumper stickers (drum roll please...)



********((( BE SANE: VOTE McCAIN! )))********
Tooo Funnny Where can I find one?
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:53 AM
 
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Talking Your Better off with McCain - Palin -here is why.

Most young people don't know this, but Obama is a Socialist. Ok so you think Socialism is better, then why does Russia have so much crime and corruption, kidnaps children for sex slaves etc. All the honest and rich people left Russia. Russia has much more debt than the USA. So you think Republicans will create more debt for the USA. Think again Socialism will create 10 times more debt.

Finally one more thing. Obama won't drill for Oil. If we don't drill then the Arabs will take over the whole World. We will be at their mercy!
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:14 AM
 
Location: New Hampsha
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because he was a POW
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