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Old 03-08-2018, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The democratic process canít transform immoral acts into moral ones. Therefore, participating in elections entails signing your name to countless misdeeds.

#VotingisImmoral
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:45 PM
 
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Well, reasons like this:

Undocumented immigrants contribute $3 billion to CA, report says | The Sacramento Bee

And California is a big agriculture state. And while Trump supporters love to say these people are murderers, rapists, child sex offenders, armed robbers, car jackets, gangbangers and drug dealers, what people in California see and know are stories like this:

ICE To Deport Cancer-Surviving Mother Of Three Amid California Crackdown

And the more Trump supporters say these people are murderers, etc. when they know otherwise, the more they oppose Trump. In addition, California is already a state that contributes far more in federal dollars than it gets back. Trump's tax plan dramatically increases that imbalance and these Republican representatives voted for that. So yes, the 14 Republican representatives in California should be kicked out of office in November. They caused their own constituents harm.
How do illegal alien criminals contribute? They're not paying California income tax because they're not reporting their illicit income. For example, drug dealers don't get a W-2 or 1099 for their drug deals.

So, again, why protect them?

Regarding agriculture, there are unlimited H-2A visas available. No need for illegal aliens in agriculture.

And you claim illegal aliens contribute $3 billion to California, but what do they COST in public assistance (food stamps, Medicaid, etc., and yes, in California if an illegal alien household has an anchor baby, the entire household is eligible for public assistance benefits) and other benefits?

The numbers for the COST of illegal aliens in California is over $25 billion. Californians unhappy about high local/state taxes? It's because you're subsidizing illegal aliens who shouldn't even be here in the first place.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:45 PM
 
Location: WY
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The democratic process canít transform immoral acts into moral ones. Therefore, participating in elections entails signing your name to countless misdeeds.

#VotingisImmoral
Then do the moral thing and stay home in November.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:49 PM
 
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How do illegal alien criminals contribute? They're not paying California income tax because they're not reporting their illicit income. For example, drug dealers don't get a W-2 or 1099 for their drug deals.

So, again, why protect them?

Regarding agriculture, there are unlimited H-2A visas available. No need for illegal aliens in agriculture.

And you claim illegal aliens contribute $3 billion to California, but what do they COST in public assistance (food stamps, Medicaid, etc., and yes, in California if an illegal alien household has an anchor baby, the entire household is eligible for public assistance benefits) and other benefits?

The numbers for the COST of illegal aliens in California is over $25 billion. California's unhappy about high local/state taxes? It's because you're subsidizing illegal aliens who shouldn't even be here in the first place.
That article came out of Sacramento, it's not my article, but their statistics show they contribute $3 billion. I see no reference to them costing $25 billion at all. As for Trump now increasing the already high imbalance of California contributing federal dollars to what it gets back - that was done by Republicans and those Republicans should be voted out of California. Those 14 Republicans stabbed their own constituents in the back.
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Old 03-08-2018, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Looks like many of the Democrats facing re-election are in the heavily Republican states.

The Democrats though lately have done a fantastic job campaigning for Republicans.

North Dakota, West Virginia, Montana, Missouri and Indiana are states the Democratic agenda is the absolute opposite of those state's values.

It is interesting how even if Democrats are ahead nationally, that the states that have the majority of the say in this year's elections are ultra-Republican and just happened to vote Democratic in 2012.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/08/demo...ons-polls.html

Lots of Democratic incumbent running in very Republican states. Many of the Democratic Senators running for reelection are in states that President Trump would win in a massive landslide.

I doubt that obstruction of justice from Democratic mayors, illegal alien before American agenda is going to do well in North Dakota and Montana.
Montana has virtually no immigrants, illegal or otherwise. Not really an issue here.

Now a trade war that could impact Ag exports? Yes-there be a problem.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Then do the moral thing and stay home in November.
I always do.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Why would Californians be unhappy about Trump ending California's horrible practice of protecting illegal alien criminals who victimize LEGAL immigrant communities and other US citizens and release them back into society to victimize even more people?

We're talking murderers, rapists, child sex offenders, armed robbers, car jackers, gangbangers, drug dealers, etc.

Why protect them?
Amazing how California cities are so much safer than those in the rest of the country when we have so many illegal aliens.

Or, maybe, Republicans don't know what the hell they are talking about.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:08 PM
 
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That article came out of Sacramento, it's not my article, but their statistics show they contribute $3 billion. I see no reference to them costing $25 billion at all. As for Trump now increasing the already high imbalance of California contributing federal dollars to what it gets back - that was done by Republicans and those Republicans should be voted out of California. Those 14 Republicans stabbed their own constituents in the back.
That article doesn't even address the costs. For a reason. Think very carefully about that...

California's federal tax in to out ratio: California receives $0.99 in Federal Expenditures per dollar of Federal Taxes paid.

I'm not seeing a problem there. California, (a vulnerable west coast state with 840 miles of exposed coast) for all intents and purposes, is getting national defense for free.

Federal Spending in California
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The dems were screaming Texas is purple, before Tuesday.
I have not heard a peep from them since...
It is looking good in my territory to patrol.

We may pick up another conservative on our city council. We only have one, elected last year.
Anybody who ever thought Texas or any other southern state outside of VA & FL would be purple or blue needs their head examined.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:21 PM
 
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Amazing how California cities are so much safer than those in the rest of the country when we have so many illegal aliens.
California has 3 cities in the top 15:

Violent Crime: Most Dangerous Cities in America - MSN

20% of the top 15 most dangerous cities, with only 12% of the US population.
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