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Old 03-14-2018, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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fascist state?? that would be from the liberals
The Liberals are not the ones talking about a "president for life".
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Politicians say they heard the people but then fall back into doing the very same thing. The people are slowly changing, I'm not sure the parties are.

It would be very difficult for Lamb to win a national election as a (D).
I'm not so sure about that. But it will depend on the actual legislative record he establishes.

Anyway, he's young yet, and and times are, in fact, changing.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Why is it taking so long to count a relatively small number of absentee votes?

I'm beginning to smell a rate.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Why is it taking so long to count a relatively small number of absentee votes?
Because they want to make double-damn-sure all their totals are correct?
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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This is a district that is historically deep red. Trump was +20 in this district. Trump campaigned in PA last week even. A Democratic challenger is now head-to-head, if not victorious, in the congressional race. Those are the facts. The more you try to spin this disaster of a night for the GOP, the more desperate you look. End of story.
The Democrat was also outspent five to one. In a State that was critical to Trump. And unions were motivated to get out the vote. A 20 point shift is monumental.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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I'm not so sure about that. But it will depend on the actual legislative record he establishes.

Anyway, he's young yet, and and times are, in fact, changing.
Slowly. They are changing and I hope that continues. Bucking Pelosi helped him also.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Somerville, MA
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This is a district that is historically deep red. Trump was +20 in this district. Trump campaigned in PA last week even. A Democratic challenger is now head-to-head, if not victorious, in the congressional race. Those are the facts. The more you try to spin this disaster of a night for the GOP, the more desperate you look. End of story.
There are a lot of layers to these elections (both Trump and this special election), and while the views aren't the same, I think the campaign and results were similar in a number of ways. Trump holds some nationalist views which are constantly under the microscope, but he won the election by campaigning as a political outsider; someone who will buck the trends and change the status quo. There are a lot of voters who voted for him not because of his nationalist views, but because he was an outsider and campaigned on change. Lamb ran a similar campaign. He vowed to work on the issues that his district faces, and he wasn't afraid to turn away from polarizing members of his party (Nancy Pelosi). He ran as a Democrat, but openly holds some atypical views for democrats (i.e. pro-life). Trump's campaign could be described as a mirror image on that front - he challenged members of his own party and he wasn't a typical conservative on many fronts (especially marriage/divorce, religion etc.). Both candidates put the issues before party politics and in both cases it helped them.

I wouldn't look at this election as an omen of doom for Republicans, nor would I look at the issue as a sign of a tidal wave of victories in November for Democrats. If anything I'd take it as a reminder that while the extremes on either side of the spectrum seem to make near-constant headlines and mark, voters in general tend to err towards the middle and vote for the candidate that they think best addresses their concerns.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Pretty slick of the dems. . . put someone on the ballot that agrees with President Trump on many issues in hopes that some of the conservatives will put an X by his name. Then when the guy gets into office, it's a 180.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:54 AM
 
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The Democrat was also outspent five to one. In a State that was critical to Trump. And unions were motivated to get out the vote. A 20 point shift is monumental.
From what I saw it was a little over 2-1 but as I pointed out elsewhere the argument has always been in the past that "money wins elections". It does not.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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LOL. Keep whistling past the graveyard. This is a gerrymandered district that the Dems recently have not even bothered to run a candidate. It would not matter one iota who the Rs ran had Trump not been in the White House. Trump is the problem and he is going to cost the GOP the House this fall and maybe much, much more as the years unfold.
No. It comes down to which candidate appeals to the moderates.

I'm one of those moderates and went with 10 of the last 11 elections. Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama, Romney, Trump. I equally dislike the Religious Right and the Socialist Left. Both extremes scare the heck out of me. Lamb is not far left. He is not representative of current day Democrat extremes. This is why he won.

Despite having numerous negatives working against him Trump won in 2016 because he spoke to moderates and their concerns. Hillary did not speak to the moderates. This is why she lost.
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