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Old 03-14-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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This is ridiculous. The Republican President and his Republican Congress literally gave trillions of dollars to Wall Street and other elites at the expense of the federal budget and (eventually) working taxpayers.
So did Obama and so would have Hillary. It's amazing how so many are still unwilling to acknowledge this is the reason why Trump won Pennsylvania to start with.

I am NOT defending Trump. I am condemning failed (D) leadership that gave us Trump and it will happen again if those same leaders are allowed to control the elections.
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:30 PM
Status: "It is the nature of grotesque things you canít look away" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Conor Lamb campaigned:
1. For universal health care
2. Against Trump’s tax cut
3. For expanded background checks
4. For stronger unions
5. Against cuts to Social Security
6. For a woman’s right to choose
7. For medical marijuana

“Conservative Democrat.” Ok. Cool.

Tweet from a guy named Jon Favreau. @jonfavs

(I have no idea how to link to a tweet.)

My sentiments exactly. It's laughable that Ryan is trying to paper over this win by claiming that Lamb is almost Republican.

But I do think that a sizable portion, maybe even a solid majority, of American voters would support this list.

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Old 03-14-2018, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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I don't know why respondents think throwing up other failed leaders is a valid response. It might be a valid response if I had ever defended anything Ryan has done but I have not.

Lamb said the people in his district wanted new leadership and that is how he would vote. It's what they wanted from him and it helped. He loses if he said he would have backed Pelosi.
You are the one that made the claim that not backing Pelosi helped Lamb. My point is that he also explicitly criticized Ryan for the same reasons, so to the extent it helped, that presumably helped as well.

I am not obligated to limit criticism solely to Pelosi just because you felt like getting in a dig at her while ignoring that the person in question made a criticism of both of them.
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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fascist state?? that would be from the liberals
I know the word "fascist" is defined differently by different people, but let me give you this reference:

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1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Fascism | Definition of Fascism by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

That sounds a lot like Trump to me. But I think that the truth is that either the right or the left can become fascist if it becomes too extreme. The word is not "owned" by the left, as you seem to believe.
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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So did Obama and so would have Hillary. It's amazing how so many are still unwilling to acknowledge this is the reason why Trump won Pennsylvania to start with.

I am NOT defending Trump. I am condemning failed (D) leadership that gave us Trump and it will happen again if those same leaders are allowed to control the elections.
Remember how Obama let the Bush tax cuts expire only on the top tax brackets, then included a tax on incomes over ~400k to pay for Obamacare? No? Your talking points are garbage.
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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Conor Lamb campaigned:
1. For universal health care
2. Against Trumpís tax cut
3. For expanded background checks
4. For stronger unions
5. Against cuts to Social Security
6. For a womanís right to choose
7. For medical marijuana
.
Add cutting our foreign adventures and "walking softly but carrying a big stick"...and this "radical lib" will be happy for this lifetime.
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:29 PM
Status: "It is the nature of grotesque things you canít look away" (set 26 days ago)
 
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Add cutting our foreign adventures and "walking softly but carrying a big stick"...and this "radical lib" will be happy for this lifetime.
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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You are the one that made the claim that not backing Pelosi helped Lamb. My point is that he also explicitly criticized Ryan for the same reasons, so to the extent it helped, that presumably helped as well.

I am not obligated to limit criticism solely to Pelosi just because you felt like getting in a dig at her while ignoring that the person in question made a criticism of both of them.
A (D) saying they would not support (R) leadership is hardly noteworthy.
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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Remember how Obama let the Bush tax cuts expire only on the top tax brackets, then included a tax on incomes over ~400k to pay for Obamacare? No? Your talking points are garbage.
Obama simply put off the costs to the lower classes for Obamacare until he left office. Obamacare was one huge giveaway to the Pharmaceutical and Insurance industries.

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts.
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Conor Lamb campaigned:
1. For universal health care
2. Against Trumpís tax cut
3. For expanded background checks
4. For stronger unions
5. Against cuts to Social Security
6. For a womanís right to choose
7. For medical marijuana

ďConservative Democrat.Ē Ok. Cool.

Tweet from a guy named Jon Favreau. @jonfavs

(I have no idea how to link to a tweet.)

My sentiments exactly. It's laughable that Ryan is trying to paper over this win by claiming that Lamb is almost Republican.

But I do think that a sizable portion, maybe even a solid majority, of American voters would support this list.
Jon Favreau is an Actor/Director/Producer (Swingers, Elf, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, The Avengers, etc.)
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