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View Poll Results: Can Trump win re-election with only his base?
Yes 12 12.90%
No 81 87.10%
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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I wasnít sure how to answer. My answer is really yes and no. I donít know of anyone who voted for him who would not vote for him again, but I also think some who did not vote for him will do so next time if they have gotten a personal benefit from Trumps policies.

There is a hard core segment of Trump haters, but any serious threat from the left has yet to materialize.
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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One city alone did not give Hillary the popular vote. They simply added to the total of all Americans who cast a ballot that gave her the popular vote.

By your reasoning, a whole lot of sparsely inhabited swaths of flyover country gave Trump the electoral vote. Why should millions of people living in cities have their vote count less than a handful of people living in sparsely inhabited flyover land?


My fault, one state gave her the popular vote. https://www.investors.com/politics/c...ar-vote-loser/

So, you are okay with one state deciding for 49 others who the president is going to be? They don't count less, The EC makes it so everyone has a voice, not just the residents of Chicago, NYC, and LA. I would rather have the elections be on a state by state basis than a 3 city basis. Sorry.
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Old 04-14-2018, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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My fault, one state gave her the popular vote. https://www.investors.com/politics/c...ar-vote-loser/

So, you are okay with one state deciding for 49 others who the president is going to be? They don't count less, The EC makes it so everyone has a voice, not just the residents of Chicago, NYC, and LA. I would rather have the elections be on a state by state basis than a 3 city basis. Sorry.
Didn't Florida decide the 2000 election?

Trump is president because he won 100,000+ votes in the right states.
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Old 04-14-2018, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Didn't Florida decide the 2000 election?

Trump is president because he won 100,000+ votes in the right states.
Right, which is what was needed to win. But all of these people complaining about the popular vote have to remember that her popular vote lead came from one state. Not saying that state's votes shouldn't count, but one state shouldn't decide the fate of 49 other states.
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Old 04-14-2018, 02:57 PM
 
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Right, which is what was needed to win. But all of these people complaining about the popular vote have to remember that her popular vote lead came from one state. Not saying that state's votes shouldn't count, but one state shouldn't decide the fate of 49 other states.
Her lead did not come from one state, unless you are trying to say that California accounted for 65,844,610 votes. Yes, California was the last to be counted because it's on the West Coast, but for you to keep insisting that California alone gave her the lead in the popular vote is BS.

Clinton got 7,362,490 votes in California. What about the other 58,482,120 votes she got from the rest of the country? They don't count?

You are posting nonsense.
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Old 04-14-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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If Satan ran against Trump it would be a difficult decision.
Not for me.
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Old 04-14-2018, 05:19 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Trump is as popular with his base as he has ever been but has lost most of his support outside of that. By this, I am talking about people who never were fully on the Trump train, but may have held their nose and voted for him because they didn't want Hillary.

Of course we know that Trump's #MAGA base is going to be out in force to vote for his re-election in 2020. Meanwhile, Dems will likely be more energized than they were in 2016. It seems that Trump supporters are counting on Democrats to nominate a buffoon of a candidate like Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren, or Oprah, resulting in another 2016 scenario where people once again hold their nose and vote for Trump. For the purposes of this thread, lets assume that doesn't happen and that the Democrats actually do nominate a competent candidate.

So the question is, can Trump win with only has white, rural, blue collar base? Will the #MAGA vote be enough to overpower the likely turnout of people who will be out in force to vote against Trump?
Let's say his base is 35%.

Let's say he gets 16% of voters via the Independent crowd.

Game set match.
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Old 04-14-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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Didn't Florida decide the 2000 election?

Trump is president because he won 100,000+ votes in the right states.
70,000. If 35,000 had gone the other way, he would have lost. That's the size of a small town.
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Old 04-14-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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Let's say his base is 35%.

Let's say he gets 16% of voters via the Independent crowd.

Game set match.
He might get 16% or even more of the independents, but not 16% of the total electorate. He seems to have lost the middle for the most part. Very few people do not have an opinion by now and unlike previous presidents he has never once cracked the 50% approval since his first week in office. Usually there would be some significant fluctuations in approval so this is highly unusual.
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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The only way Trump stole the 2016 election was because of an unprecedented level of right-wing election cheating. This included voter suppression and gerrymandering. It also included heavy use of false news on social media. To what extent foreign money was used to launder money, influence electors, promote voting machine irregularities, and negatively impact the election results in PA, WI, MI, FL, and NC is still to be determined.

Without this unprecedented level of cheating, there are not enough right-wingers in his base to get him the win. In fact election cheating is the only way that Republicans can still exist.

Right now, I doubt that Trump will even make it past Christmas.
Yeah you know, Trump won because of gerrymandering. Jeez, you lefties look for every excuse in the book about your idol Clinton losing.

Cheating? The left cheated by letting illegals vote.

Just another democrat wet dream. They have said it since Trump got in office that he wouldn't last. Almost been a year and a half already.
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