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Old 04-14-2018, 11:38 AM
 
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With the FBI's confiscation of decades of files and likely audio files from Michael Cohen's offices and home and safety deposit box the intensity of uncovering actual/physical evidence of "collusion" in the election between Trump et al and Russia, GRU Hackers and aides like Assange seems to grow exponentially....

There is new article from McClatchy that says Mueller has two sources proving Trump's Michael Cohen WAS in Prague, dealing with paying off Russian hackers for trolling Clinton and other work--which Cohen has vehemently denied and sued Buzzfeed over its publishing the Steele Dossier which included that point of information...
I saw a blog where woman had given pretty specific and detailed info about Cohen's movements in that week of August and his access to private planes that made the trip to Prague very plausible...
Maybe Gates and Nadar were able to give Mueller specific insight into Cohen's movements--

My concern is IF the evidence become uncontrovertable that Trump's campaign did have direct financial and electronic input and assistance from Russia--even at somewhat of a distance--like using same hackers the GRU has used before in other elections---
Like finding evidence of Russian money coming into the RNC to finance not just Trump but other GOP campaigns

How do you deal with a totally corrupt presidency?
And I don't mean Trump's nepotism or making money or wasting money--
I mean a president who was elected because that election was a fraud!

You can throw out Trump and Pence (who was riding that campaign trail and can't be viewed as clean of any corruption just because he says he is--after all we know he has lied specifically about his knowledge of Flynn's lies and other issues)
There is a method for doing that but the replacement leads to the Speaker of the House--
Paul Ryan--who was directly involved in the election with the RNC funding of other candidates...then the President pro tempore of the Senate--then into the Cabinet (which would be an illegal/improper option)...
Even Mattis would be tainted simply because Trump picked him...

If the RNC was compromised--hacked by Russia and blackmailed because of it--then Ryan's credibility could be impugned
After all he has certainly not taken any significant/permanent steps to rein Nunes in or support the House's committees to investigate Russian interference...
He attempts to wash his hands of anything that might mean taking a real stance...

How could Gorsach still be allowed to sit on the Supreme Court if he was nominated by a President who came to office via Russian hacking the election? Or any other judges he nominated who made it through the approval process?
How could a tax bill that a fraudulent president signed be law of the land?
How could any of his immigration policies or actions of his Cabinet be allowed to stand...

I jus think the real Constitutional crisis is going to come not because Trump might try to fire Rosenstein or Sessions or interfere even more with Mueller's investigation--
But what do we do as a nation IF that investigation can prove that Trump is really a tool of Putin or at least came to win the election because of direct input from foreign sources???

I just don't think you can say we use the Speaker (who already said he is not running in 18) and his appointees to fill the void until 2020...
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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I'm not trying be mellow dramatic, and I take a wait and see approach to these things... but, I am wondering if some of this stuff is going to put the word treason on the table.

Isn't manipulating an election with a foreign country over throw of a government?

But nothing is proven right now, and speculation is just that. It's not uncommon for the system to know someone is guilty of "X" but be unable to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Plus it really does open a huge can of worms (as you listed) which the powers that be may not want to open.
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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Yes--
I am trying to be specific about my concerns and not sound like a Trump supporter re the Clintons

I just think having Michael Cohen's files (his safety deposit box!!) taken means this is like Ocean's 11 in the casino vault...

And that Judge is not a push over...
She is pretty staunch support of the law--whether that falls to the prosecution or the defense--from what I have read so far...

And I understand there are deep currents way beyond my depth---
But how could other countries deal with that?
A third-world dictator gets into power because of money/aid from the US or France or Russia or the UK--
That is something the world is used to and people pretty much take in their stride really--
Almost expect things like that to happen because of corporate/global interests in capturing raw materials and trying to keep a balance of powers
Reagan certainly did it and Manafort was totally involved in aspects of Reagan's and Baker's foreign policy implementation
Read The Atlantic's new article about Manafort's history as more than just a lobbyist...
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Old 04-14-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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With the FBI's confiscation of decades of files and likely audio files from Michael Cohen's offices and home and safety deposit box the intensity of uncovering actual/physical evidence of "collusion" in the election between Trump et al and Russia, GRU Hackers and aides like Assange seems to grow exponentially....

There is new article from McClatchy that says Mueller has two sources proving Trump's Michael Cohen WAS in Prague, dealing with paying off Russian hackers for trolling Clinton and other work--which Cohen has vehemently denied and sued Buzzfeed over its publishing the Steele Dossier which included that point of information...
I saw a blog where woman had given pretty specific and detailed info about Cohen's movements in that week of August and his access to private planes that made the trip to Prague very plausible...
Maybe Gates and Nadar were able to give Mueller specific insight into Cohen's movements--

My concern is IF the evidence become uncontrovertable that Trump's campaign did have direct financial and electronic input and assistance from Russia--even at somewhat of a distance--like using same hackers the GRU has used before in other elections---
Like finding evidence of Russian money coming into the RNC to finance not just Trump but other GOP campaigns

How do you deal with a totally corrupt presidency?
And I don't mean Trump's nepotism or making money or wasting money--
I mean a president who was elected because that election was a fraud!

You can throw out Trump and Pence (who was riding that campaign trail and can't be viewed as clean of any corruption just because he says he is--after all we know he has lied specifically about his knowledge of Flynn's lies and other issues)
There is a method for doing that but the replacement leads to the Speaker of the House--
Paul Ryan--who was directly involved in the election with the RNC funding of other candidates...then the President pro tempore of the Senate--then into the Cabinet (which would be an illegal/improper option)...
Even Mattis would be tainted simply because Trump picked him...

If the RNC was compromised--hacked by Russia and blackmailed because of it--then Ryan's credibility could be impugned
After all he has certainly not taken any significant/permanent steps to rein Nunes in or support the House's committees to investigate Russian interference...
He attempts to wash his hands of anything that might mean taking a real stance...

How could Gorsach still be allowed to sit on the Supreme Court if he was nominated by a President who came to office via Russian hacking the election? Or any other judges he nominated who made it through the approval process?
How could a tax bill that a fraudulent president signed be law of the land?
How could any of his immigration policies or actions of his Cabinet be allowed to stand...

I jus think the real Constitutional crisis is going to come not because Trump might try to fire Rosenstein or Sessions or interfere even more with Mueller's investigation--
But what do we do as a nation IF that investigation can prove that Trump is really a tool of Putin or at least came to win the election because of direct input from foreign sources???

I just don't think you can say we use the Speaker (who already said he is not running in 18) and his appointees to fill the void until 2020...

Then I want him executed for TREASON! He's been kissing Russian arse for years!
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Old 04-14-2018, 12:45 PM
 
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I feel sorry for the suckers who have fallen for this false narrative of Trump colluding with Russia when there isn't a shred of evidence. How do they feel about Hillary colluding with Russia? Facts are there on a silver platter for all to see. Two-tier justice system.

By the way, it's irrelevant because collusion isn't a crime.
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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They have been investigating that for well over a year, not a shred of evidence. When are they gonna bring up Hillary's charges for selling uranium and colluding with Russia?
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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They have been investigating that for well over a year, not a shred of evidence. When are they gonna bring up Hillary's charges for selling uranium and colluding with Russia?
They investgatef HRC 6 ways from Sunday
Get off that diversion

Be prepared to accept Trump DID corrupt this election
I think Cohen's files will prove that
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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They investgatef HRC 6 ways from Sunday
Get off that diversion
Except Comey and gang never revealed the evidence gathered by the FBI informant Campbell. Notice that the Uranium One investigation is still chugging along -- no leaks because they only leak when it makes Trump look bad..
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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They investgatef HRC 6 ways from Sunday
Get off that diversion

Be prepared to accept Trump DID corrupt this election
I think Cohen's files will prove that
Got any reliable sources with the evidence to back it up or are you just talking out of your ass? It hasn't been proven that Trump colluded with Russia. It HAS been proven that Hillary Clinton colluded with Russia and sold them Uranium. Why not focus on her and the evidence that backs it up?
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:42 PM
 
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They have been investigating that for well over a year, not a shred of evidence. When are they gonna bring up Hillary's charges for selling uranium and colluding with Russia?
Except collusion isn't a crime whether Hillary or Trump did it. In the Uranium One case there is a whole laundry list of real crimes like money laundering, bribery, racketeering, influence peddling and others I can't recall now.
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