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Old 04-19-2018, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Wow...you just heard "replacements" and figured the DNC was correcting itself? You didn't even bother to check?

They replaced (for optics) Hillary leadership, with other Hillary loyalists.
However, they rooted out the Bernie folks and replaced them with Hillary loyalists.



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...z-dnc-shake-up

Hey, here's another excerpt.



Ok, so in the face of this information are you going to be able to discuss it with me?
I was hoping I could find my post from April 2017 when this article had it's own thread where I broke down the flaws you are trying to agree with, but sadly , I can't find it . So I'll hit the high notes

1.Lets be clear. Bernie lost. He has no more a right to pick who is in the DNC as Ted Cruz does the RNC. And yes. The democratic nominee actually does have a hand in picking who is next up , so at best your argument is you disagree with the system.

2. What you would define as a Hillary loyalist, most others would simply call them Demoxrats. Just as many of the Trump people have ties to Bush, the Clinton people have ties to Obama, and Bill before him .

Random Bernie people who support green party candidates down ballot are not even eligible to be in the DNC.

3. If you had actually taken the time to read the list instead of the article of a p.o'ed Bernie supporter, you would notice that many of the people on this list actually did support Bernie, including Keith Ellison and (ugh) Symone Sanders


So you are both wrong actually.
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Southern NH
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Joe Biden. That is funny. An "empty suit" if there ever was one... The Dems won't nominate Joe. They believe Trump is vulnerable and they won't have a white guy as the nominee as they practice identity politics.
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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I was hoping I could find my post from April 2017 when this article had it's own thread where I broke down the flaws you are trying to agree with, but sadly , I can't find it . So I'll hit the high notes

1.Lets be clear. Bernie lost. He has no more a right to pick who is in the DNC as Ted Cruz does the RNC. And yes. The democratic nominee actually does have a hand in picking who is next up , so at best your argument is you disagree with the system.

2. What you would define as a Hillary loyalist, most others would simply call them Demoxrats. Just as many of the Trump people have ties to Bush, the Clinton people have ties to Obama, and Bill before him .

Random Bernie people who support green party candidates down ballot are not even eligible to be in the DNC.

3. If you had actually taken the time to read the list instead of the article of a p.o'ed Bernie supporter, you would notice that many of the people on this list actually did support Bernie, including Keith Ellison and (ugh) Symone Sanders


So you are both wrong actually.
1. Yes, let's be clear. Never said the DNC doesn't have the right to do what they want.

2. My post was in rebuttal to the claim that they "Cleared House" and thus Hillary wouldn't have strong support (aka hamstringing rivals) like she did in 2016.

So, I'm not really even seeing how you're disagreeing with anything I'm saying other than a miscommunication where you thought I was saying that the DNC shouldn't be able to do what they want with regards to stuff like this.

So, that leaves the main question.

Do you think Hillary is running in 2020 and if so, do you think her control within the DNC is about the same as in 2016....and so what does that mean for her chances of being the nominee if she runs?
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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2020 won't see either Clinton or Sanders on the ticket. Or Joe Biden.
Well coming from the guy that thought the DNC had "cleaned house" of team Hillary, your unsupported feelings on the matter remain unconvincing.
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Biden has been in politics most of his life. Trump knows nothing which explains all the turmoil he's causing. And I would rather have an old nice guy who is genuine and respectful than an old white guy who is nasty and disrespectful. The difference is Biden cares about our country, Trump only cares about himself
interesting you would bring up race in this conversation? You can say what you want about Trump, he is doing, as best he can, what he was elected to do. It may not satisfy you, but, at least he is doing something and shaking things up while he is at it. I am happy with someone who is really working for change and I don't have to talk about white versus whatever. This doesn't mean I like his personality, I doubt anyone does, but I do like what he is trying to do. I can't remember Biden ever having a new idea and do remember a few pretty strange things he has said and done. Do you even remember his pliagarizing (spelling) incident?
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Old 04-19-2018, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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1. Yes, let's be clear. Never said the DNC doesn't have the right to do what they want.

2. My post was in rebuttal to the claim that they "Cleared House" and thus Hillary wouldn't have strong support (aka hamstringing rivals) like she did in 2016.

So, I'm not really even seeing how you're disagreeing with anything I'm saying other than a miscommunication where you thought I was saying that the DNC shouldn't be able to do what they want with regards to stuff like this.

So, that leaves the main question.

Do you think Hillary is running in 2020 and if so, do you think her control within the DNC is about the same as in 2016....and so what does that mean for her chances of being the nominee if she runs?
Contextually, you did not simply argue that the other guy is wrong, you went a step further and argued that Bernies people were purged and Hillary loyalist were installed. That is a lie. ( I thought I clearly explained why, but if you need me to, I can refine my previous response )

Do I believe Hillary will run, No

As for Control compared to 2016, that is again a contextual lie and why I questioned your original post.

I'll try to make this short and sweet, but if you honestly don't understand what I'm saying, I'll be glad to go into more detail.

Bernie is not a Democrat , it's that simple. Hillary Clinton or anyone who is a Democrat should have had the full support of the DNC members, not out of loyalty, but because elected and appointed leadership at the DNC are Democrats and for the most part have the same beliefs , Bernie dies not share those beliefs .

In short, just as the RNC is not built to support the ideals of a libertarian, the DNC is not built to do so for a Socialist .

But the crux of your argument is that the primary was rigged, it was not.
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