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Old 04-30-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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Dems could run on a completely bogus campaign slogan. Take a page from Trump: "Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!" Right. How about "Universal Healthcare and make the Wealthy pay for it!" It'll go over very well. They don't even have to do it if they don't want to.

In all seriousness though, the one big mistake I can see Democrats making is making 2018 only about Trump. That's not an agenda. It might get you back the House, but they need to make Trump only part of the argument.

And like someone else said, do not let Pelosi be Speaker. The party needs to move on. Don't give Trump an easy one to hit out of the park in 2020. Clinton and Pelosi are very effective punching bags for Trump and the Republicans. Remove those the game entirely.
I agree with the bolded. We've seen the absolute worst the GOP has to offer with their massive tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, combined with their massive spending bill, the combination of which has blown a hole in the deficit. And that after years of whining about the "tax and spend" Democrats, who at least try to find ways to pay for the things they want. The GOP's philosophy of "drastically cutting revenues while spending like drunken sailors" is going to bring this country down.

Healthcare is another issue the Democrats should focus on after all the mucking around the GOP has done this last year, all of which did nothing but weaken the existing law while offering absolutely zero in way of replacement. And they aren't done yet. They're still going to try to further weaken or destroy the ACA in the time they have left this year, despite the fact that the majority of Americans want them to leave it alone. Millions upon millions of people who depend on the ACA are living in healthcare insecurity, which is a terrifying place to be. I know because I'm one of them.

There are real issues the Democrats need to focus on. The difference between sound policies and the mess that is the GOP/Trump Administration will speak for itself without them having to beat that drum too loudly.
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Old 04-30-2018, 08:48 AM
 
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... We've seen the absolute worst the GOP has to offer with their massive tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, ...
To me, the particular flavoring of these ideas has been ill-advised, but the main idea – lowering the corporate tax rate – is actually welcome. What so grates and shocks me is the boorishness and rancor in modern politics, especially in the Executive Branch. First and foremost, I want to see politics left to the professional politicians, and not to bounders and dilettantes. Good presidential candidates will have spent decades preparing themselves for office, ideally by first serving as governor or senator. The President’s first job is to present a decorous and mature face to the world, even if his/her policies are cutting and tendentious.

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Oh, I see you want us to become a total socialistic country? Not a chance but dreams are fun while they last.
If a cosmopolitan disdain for entrenched, unexamined tribalism is “socialism”, then I’ll be the first to quote Robert Owen, Oscar Wilde and maybe even Eugene Debs.

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Why can't democrats go back to being the party they once were in the 70's, the party of the working people instead of the party they now are, the party of the illegal aliens.
I’d like to see a party that represents investors, professionals, people who have assets to protect and careers to advance… people who travel internationally and have international connection in business and in their work… people who speak multiple languages and consider themselves citizens of the world, more so than citizens of America… in other words, the sort of people who read the Financial Times newspaper… Or phrased alternatively, a melding of Nelson Rockefeller and Adlai Stevenson.
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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To me, the particular flavoring of these ideas has been ill-advised, but the main idea – lowering the corporate tax rate – is actually welcome. What so grates and shocks me is the boorishness and rancor in modern politics, especially in the Executive Branch. First and foremost, I want to see politics left to the professional politicians, and not to bounders and dilettantes. Good presidential candidates will have spent decades preparing themselves for office, ideally by first serving as governor or senator. The President’s first job is to present a decorous and mature face to the world, even if his/her policies are cutting and tendentious.



If a cosmopolitan disdain for entrenched, unexamined tribalism is “socialism”, then I’ll be the first to quote Robert Owen, Oscar Wilde and maybe even Eugene Debs.



I’d like to see a party that represents investors, professionals, people who have assets to protect and careers to advance… people who travel internationally and have international connection in business and in their work… people who speak multiple languages and consider themselves citizens of the world, more so than citizens of America… in other words, the sort of people who read the Financial Times newspaper… Or phrased alternatively, a melding of Nelson Rockefeller and Adlai Stevenson.
so you are actually going to claim your ideas are socialism or at least some of them? Well we all have our own ideas, obviously yours do not match mine.
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Looks like progressives win at least the house, and the attitude will be same as right wingers mcconell and boehner had, to make sure potus fails, although that's not a tall task since trump has failed at all levels...
so you actually believe Trump has failed at all levels; Give us a few examples where he has failed the people? He has achieved almost everything he promised or at least he is making progress. And he got elected based on those promises so explain how he has failed. Let me add, as a human being I don't think much of he, bu as a president I have to say, he has been a heck of a lot better than I or many thought he would be.
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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Give us a few examples where he has failed the people?
1. Tariffs. An idiotic idea all-around.
2. Leave the Iran deal alone. Messing with it would upset the oil markets.
3. Don't meddle with Fed policy; don't even tweet about what they should or should not do.
4. Speaking of the Fed, it was louche and irresponsible to not renominate Janet Yellen.
5. Getting out of the Paris Climate Accords.
6. Messing with NAFTA.
7. Getting out of the TPP.
8. Nominate a real diplomat for Secretary of State... not Tillerson or Pompeo.
9. John Bolton???
10. Betsy DeVos???
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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so you are actually going to claim your ideas are socialism or at least some of them? Well we all have our own ideas, obviously yours do not match mine.
I've covered this many times. Nearly every single person supports Socialist programs. Even you.
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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I would hope they would focus on raising taxes (like they said they would), repealing the Second Amendment (like many have said they would like to see happen), amnesty for the illegals and more race and gender based attacks on Republicans. Also, keep up the impeachment talks.

All these things will lock down a second term for Trump!
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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I'm definitely voting straight D in 2018 what I want to see

*Some kind of white punishment, like British style grooming gangs and more truck style attacks that mostly kill infidels, this is needed for the good of diversity, the white racists need to realize that at the end of the day we all bleed red and what better way to celebrate that then for us to bleed together on a bridge or a sidewalk

*Promote Transgenderism more, 10 year old boys should look up to Caitlyn Jenner and drop this awful toxic masculinity

*Amnesty for all 30 million Illegal Immigrants, and raise legal immigration levels from 1.2 million a year to 36 million to start, with a gradual increase each year after that

*Guns for criminals only, full gun ban but only for law abiding citizens

*Abortions should be made available up until 1 minute before birth
I hope this is a joke
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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I hope this is a joke
I think that poster is a tr@//
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Old 04-30-2018, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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1. Tariffs. An idiotic idea all-around.
2. Leave the Iran deal alone. Messing with it would upset the oil markets.
3. Don't meddle with Fed policy; don't even tweet about what they should or should not do.
4. Speaking of the Fed, it was louche and irresponsible to not renominate Janet Yellen.
5. Getting out of the Paris Climate Accords.
6. Messing with NAFTA.
7. Getting out of the TPP.
8. Nominate a real diplomat for Secretary of State... not Tillerson or Pompeo.
9. John Bolton???
10. Betsy DeVos???
most of what you are listing are simply your personal opinions, not based on anything. Bolton is just fine:
Iran deal, leave it alone? This makes no sense to me anyway.
So to you it was irresponsible not to renominate Janet Yellen, why do you say that? Pesidentual appointees serve at the discretion of the POUSA. I certainly know about that. End of story there.
NAFTA, I happen to be in favor or NAFTA, but perhaps you have forgotten how many people griped and still gripe about it. People want us to depend only on American products and support our farmers, but then when the other side wants to make changes: OH NO, don't touch the program.
The climate accord is still questionable. You have your ideas, other have theirs.

Tweeting, I agree with you and everyone else on that; stop the damn tweeting period, do't care what you are tweeting about.

We could discuss this for ever, but we will just have to agree to disagree. Libs or should I say Trump haters think one way, other think another. Even Krauthammer has done a turn about on what he thinks of Trump and no Republican could have been more anti Trump than he was during the entire campaign.
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