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Old 05-10-2018, 01:58 PM
 
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But see, here's the thing... under the electoral system, election wins have been relatively evenly split, giving both sides a chance to run the country. It gives rural areas a voice.

A popular vote system would tilt election wins almost 100% towards democrats, which, let's face it, is your only motivation for wanting to go to a popular vote system.
Rural voters are overrepresented now. Far far more than the number of people they represent. Why should a voter in Wyoming have four times the power of a voter in California when California contributes far more to the country than it gets back? That's the problem we have now. Blue states that are economic engines, are pouring money into the country, benefiting the red states that are overrepresented. Red states now can basically tax blue states to give them money.

The only way this will stop is for blue states to silently turn red states into economic islands similar to the way countries create economic sanctions. Don't hire from red states, buy food locally or globally, it's not difficult to do. Red states want to live a certain way and honestly, that's fine - let them. Just let them do it on their own dime.
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Old 05-10-2018, 02:03 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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The Democrats want to run on emotion, rather than logic. President Trump governs with logic, Democrats want to govern based on emotions like anger and rage.

Actually Trump governs with spite and rage against Obama and anyone who isn't white, heterosexual, and Christian. That's why his supporters love him so much.
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Old 05-10-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Blue states have money and can buy globally. And we can grow plenty of food locally. I would put my money on educated blue states over red state Trump worship any day of the week. Blue states do not need to rely on red states to transport anything when they are growing food locally and imports come to the coasts so if anyone is depending on anything, it's red states hoping product makes it to the middle. The reality is, red states depend a great deal on agriculture and farm subsidies. Blue states excel in tech, entertainment, finance, solar, wind, hydro, education, retail, environmental, healthcare and so much more. All they need to do is target business toward other blue states and make this a quiet economic war with silent "sanctions". Break flyover country quietly. And since flyover country considers education "elitist", it would not be difficult to do. It would be interesting to watch flyover country become an economic island where not only are foreign countries not buying their agriculture, neither are blue states.
Import everything, that's a sure fire solution. You can't eat entertainment. Large urban centers would run out of food in 6 months. The first natural disaster and big Cities would go mad max in 3 days. We've already seen it here. Apartment dwellers with no food, no fuel, no water and no power. Hilarious. City types have zero knowledge how to grow food or live off grid.
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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The midterms are nearly six months away and there will be plenty of news (both real and "fake") for the electorate to endure before they take place. The status of polls with a considerable margin of error at this point matters a lot less than many would expect. Only a few of the states have even completed their primaries at this point so the identities of many of the general election candidates are still unknown.

Sorry to all rabid partisans, but red and blue states have to coexist - they all contribute to the nation's prosperity, and there are plenty of red rural areas in blue states and blue urban centers in red states.
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Rural voters are overrepresented now. Far far more than the number of people they represent. Why should a voter in Wyoming have four times the power of a voter in California when California contributes far more to the country than it gets back? That's the problem we have now. Blue states that are economic engines, are pouring money into the country, benefiting the red states that are overrepresented. Red states now can basically tax blue states to give them money.

The only way this will stop is for blue states to silently turn red states into economic islands similar to the way countries create economic sanctions. Don't hire from red states, buy food locally or globally, it's not difficult to do. Red states want to live a certain way and honestly, that's fine - let them. Just let them do it on their own dime.
The electoral college is not going anywhere. It is a gift from the fantastic founding fathers.

I personally am good with states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Alaska having more electoral votes per-capita than California and New York.

California gets less than it gets back because the population is older in much of America than California with more retirees on OASDI and Medicare. There is also per-capita is much more military spending than California, which has been that way for half a century.
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:38 PM
 
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The electoral college is not going anywhere. It is a gift from the fantastic founding fathers.

I personally am good with states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Alaska having more electoral votes per-capita than California and New York.

California gets less than it gets back because the population is older in much of America than California with more retirees on OASDI and Medicare. There is also per-capita is much more military spending than California, which has been that way for half a century.
I'm sure flyover country is quite happy to take take take from blue states while trying to control them politically. Which is why it will be sweet justice when blue states start turning red states into economic islands, not hiring them, not buying from them, just ignoring them until they cannot afford to stay in flyover country anymore.
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The electoral college is not going anywhere. It is a gift from the fantastic founding fathers.

I personally am good with states like Wyoming, North Dakota, Alaska having more electoral votes per-capita than California and New York.

California gets less than it gets back because the population is older in much of America than California with more retirees on OASDI and Medicare. There is also per-capita is much more military spending than California, which has been that way for half a century.
Don't forget an estimated half of all illegal aliens are in CA. We are working on that
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Old 05-10-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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Don't forget an estimated half of all illegal aliens are in CA. We are working on that
California has the 5th largest economy in the world. How that must pain Trump supporters.
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Old 05-11-2018, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Economist research puts Democrat +9..conclusion, choose your source and make it an absolute truth.
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Old 05-11-2018, 02:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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California has the 5th largest economy in the world. How that must pain Trump supporters.
Where's my shocked face. How can the largest State of the union possibly have a large economy.
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