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Old 06-03-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Yes, the financial crisis was entirely Bush's fault. I'm not gonna dispute that cause I highly dislike George W. Bush. But, the entire debt under Hussein's presidency over the course of the entire 8 years cannot be blamed all on Bush. The Democrat's never place blame on Obama. Everything Obama did was Bush's fault. At least The Republicans own up to Bush's mistakes. But, come on man, some of the debt may have been Bush's fault indeed, but not 8 years worth. Obama didn't necessarily save us. 6 of the states that went for him flipped over to Trump. Obviously The American Voters were angry enough with his presidency to reject his legacy. Well, The raise and bonus I got may have been tiny but at least it's something. Under Obama, my money was being taken out to support the lazy people on welfare.

The deficit for 2009 was $1.4 trillion, $1.2 trillion was already in place before Obama took office. It is going to take time to recover from that, and after a few years we started to see drops in the yearly deficits, and it declined most of his years in office. Perhaps it didn't decline as much as most wanted or it should have, but it generally did go in the right direction, and now we are back going the other way. The projected deficit for this year is the highest since 2012.
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Old 06-03-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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The deficit for 2009 was $1.4 trillion, $1.2 trillion was already in place before Obama took office. It is going to take time to recover from that, and after a few years we started to see drops in the yearly deficits, and it declined most of his years in office. Perhaps it didn't decline as much as most wanted or it should have, but it generally did go in the right direction, and now we are back going the other way. The projected deficit for this year is the highest since 2012.
Between his tax cut and spending bill, Trump has added more than a trillion dollars to the deficit already in the short time he's been in office. What do you bet Boss1234 never comes back to address that.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Middle of the Pacific Ocean
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Between his tax cut and spending bill, Trump has added more than a trillion dollars to the deficit already in the short time he's been in office. What do you bet Boss1234 never comes back to address that.
Source?
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:43 AM
Status: "Stand with Hong Kong" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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You misrepresent the situation.

The Democrats are normally shut out of the bill crafting process, they can not get their own legislation to the floor.

The Republican leadership has made no attempt to work with the Democrats, which requires some measure of compromise (anathema to Republicans). Our government was designed for working together and compromise for the good of the nation.

Democrats don't have to stall, they are iced out. If they are not allowed to participate in crafting legislation, why should they support it? They are not a rubber stamp for whatever you want.

The real problem is that Republicans can not get their own act together, which again, requires compromise among themselves. The solution is in their own hands. The Republicans in congress have constipated themselves in their own obstinacy.
Nonsense. Were you asleep with the DACA issue and wall funding? It would be more accurate to say that some issues are anathema to Democrats lest they get fixed (DACA) or lead to something they disagree with (wall).
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Old 06-03-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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They will loose their jobs if we just continue the policies of the last several decades.
Do you keep up with the news? The new tariffs will raise the prices of steel and aluminum, and also soybeans, the crop of many farmers. Those tariffs will also raise the price of many products, including cars and beer, because the tariffs will cause the cost of materials to rise (aluminum for beer cans). Manufacturers will raise their prices to offset the cost of Trump’s tariffs. We, the consumers, will pay for these tariffs with higher prices AND LOST JOBS.
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Old 06-03-2018, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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[quote=JAMS14;52086185]Between his tax cut and spending bill, Trump has added more than a trillion dollars to the deficit already in the short time he's been in office. What do you bet Boss1234 never comes back to address that.[/QUOT


I got a rise and bonus under Trump, nothing whatsoever under Obama. Source?
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Old 06-03-2018, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Middle of the Pacific Ocean
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Between his tax cut and spending bill, Trump has added more than a trillion dollars to the deficit already in the short time he's been in office. What do you bet Boss1234 never comes back to address that.[/QUOT


I got a rise and bonus under Trump, nothing whatsoever under Obama. Source?
I asked for a source, too, but have yet to receive one. I actually know what JAMS is talking about and already have a rebuttal ready for why s/he is wrong.
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Old 06-04-2018, 04:30 AM
 
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Between his tax cut and spending bill, Trump has added more than a trillion dollars to the deficit already in the short time he's been in office. What do you bet Boss1234 never comes back to address that.[/QUOT


I got a rise and bonus under Trump, nothing whatsoever under Obama. Source?
My daughter and son-in-law (an accountant), figured out with their new “tax cut” that they will actually pay $250 MORE in income taxes next year. This tax cut is bogus for everyone but the super wealthy and corporations, which are using the funds to buy back their own stock. Not that many companies are passing the savings on to employees. Another con job perpetrated by Trump to make his own family wealthier.
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Old 06-04-2018, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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All tax cuts add to the deficit. Tax cuts mean the government receives less revenue at each level from those individuals paying . The argument from conservatives is that those cuts will be offset by those same individuals making more money.


The first half is fact, the second is a predicted opinion that usually ends up being wrong.
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Old 06-04-2018, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Reuters Polling

by 6%!

wow. what a flip. this reuters poll was as of 5/20/2018.
Democrats that control the polling claim polls must be trusted= they in big trouble.
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