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Old 06-29-2018, 08:11 PM
 
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The nightmare scenario is an emerging fight between left-wing populists and right-wing populists, with moderates left without any options.
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Old 06-29-2018, 08:45 PM
 
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In an interview, New York congressional primary winner Ocasio-Cortez, a socialist-progressive, said that moderate Democrats and liberal progressives can work together under a Democratic "Big Tent." Compare her with Conor Lamb, a very moderate and centrist "blue dog" from western Pennsylvania. These two candidates can represent a winning formula for the Democrats: progressives in the big cities and moderate centrists in the rural areas, forming a Democratic center-left coalition. With this approach Dems it is very conceivable the Dems could win back Congress.
She is deluded. Ocasia-Cortez was the spunky Latina candidate in a district that went from white first/second generation immigrants to Latina first/second generation immigrants while being represented by a white Democrat that ran mostly unopposed in primaries because he got so powerful. Basic case of not understanding your customers.

The win is less than meaningless. The swath of people 2 hrs west of NYC to Denver, from Michigan to the Gulf Coast care about economics. In their part of the country that is big factories, big distribution centers, little environmental regulation, reduced government regulation. Trump understands his customers.

Big tent is all about trying to give as many splinter group something for their vote. Direct opposite in which the country is moving.

IMHO, the Democrats are unlikely to gain any significant number of seats during the midterm.
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Old 07-01-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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In an interview, New York congressional primary winner Ocasio-Cortez, a socialist-progressive, said that moderate Democrats and liberal progressives can work together under a Democratic "Big Tent." Compare her with Conor Lamb, a very moderate and centrist "blue dog" from western Pennsylvania. These two candidates can represent a winning formula for the Democrats: progressives in the big cities and moderate centrists in the rural areas, forming a Democratic center-left coalition. With this approach Dems it is very conceivable the Dems could win back Congress.



It may be a big tent, until you try to get in.... The Big Tent has a lot of vacancy signs.
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Her economic policy platform is to the right of most conservative parties in Europe...

There is nothing radical about health care as a right for every American and strengthening the public safety net.
How do all those goodies get funded?
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What's radical is to believe that transferring more of the nation's wealth to Wall Street will somehow benefit ordinary Americans.
Actually, a lot of it does. How do you think pensions, retirement benefits, and retirement account draws get funded? Investments that yield returns.

What the $27 Trillion Worth of Investments in Corporations, Etc., Held in the Retirement System in the US Looks Like
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Yet, she is not proposing anything different than what Franklin D Roosevelt did, and he is the most popular president in the past 100 years...
That's because a lot of people aren't very bright. What FDR did prolonged the Great Depression by 7 years.

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate | UCLA
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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The nightmare scenario is an emerging fight between left-wing populists and right-wing populists, with moderates left without any options.
Moderates always have options... I have never seen a moderate government, only those that pretend to be moderate...
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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How do all those goodies get funded?
Actually, a lot of it does. How do you think pensions, retirement benefits, and retirement account draws get funded? Investments that yield returns.

What the $27 Trillion Worth of Investments in Corporations, Etc., Held in the Retirement System in the US Looks Like
The top 10% own 84% of the stock market. Supporting Wall Street democrats and GOP puppets does nothing for the working class of America. Working stiffs supporting the people that have gone to war against them is radicalism. Its not moderate.
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:10 PM
 
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That's because a lot of people aren't very bright. What FDR did prolonged the Great Depression by 7 years.

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate | UCLA
You can find some economists saying anything. It means nothing that you manage to find someone that hate FDR, Medicare and SS like yourself. What Cortez is proposing is straight out of the FDR playbook. Very, very far from radical.
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Old 07-02-2018, 05:08 AM
 
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You can find some economists saying anything. It means nothing that you manage to find someone that hate FDR, Medicare and SS like yourself.
UCLA. Very left-wing. They don't hate FDR, Medicare, and SS.
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Old 07-02-2018, 05:12 AM
 
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The top 10% own 84% of the stock market.
No, control, as in manage pension funds, retirement accounts, mutual funds, etc., etc., for local, state, and federal governments, and for corporations' retirement plans and individuals' retirement accounts. This has already been discussed. Additionally, look at the $27 trillion pie chart. Is it your contention that all those workers/retirees represented by the groups on the chart are only 10% of the population? If so, you're only making yourself look foolish.

What the $27 Trillion Worth of Investments in Corporations, Etc., Held in the Retirement System in the US Looks Like
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