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Old 07-23-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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THats not putting your thumb on the scale, thats called Bernie Sanders not having any support within the party.

You are defining "Having your thumb on the scale" as having your colleague's support.

Whats even worse is the fact that Bernie was fine with lobbying for those same SD's support. So he wasnt even against the SD's
They were saying "don't bother running, Hillary always has this wrapped up".
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:51 PM
 
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Of course, trump knew that all he needed was to rattle the base of the party with a crazy racist, and isolationist message, he is crazy palin on steroids, the rest of the work was accomplished by the feud between hillary and bernie, which resulted in several million democrats voting for the chump, problem is, he will not get those votes again, do the math and you'll realize he will be down at least 8 million votes, instead of the 2 million votes loss last election....
Very few (D)'s voted for Trump.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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If those eight million are in already blue states, he still might win the election. The Dems are going to have to hold their noses and mingle with the deplorables if they want to win.
With the deplorable? They are going to have to quit sucking on the Wall Street teat and join the people. So far I don't see it happening.
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Old 07-23-2018, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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They were saying "don't bother running, Hillary always has this wrapped up".
Lining up support before running is always done in Both primaries in all elections.

You are actually arguing that Hillary having a lot of support is cheating.
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Old 07-23-2018, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Very few (D)'s voted for Trump.
This is true

People jumped to conclusions right after the election. They looked at numbers and assumped people crossed over, but around March of 2017, the analyses of the election started to come out as well as Sec of State numbers from states that count party registration.

Trump and Clinton both took about 9% of the others voters overall(more or less depending on the individual state).

Many of the people that are called "Trump Democrats" werent actually Democrats.

CNN highlighted this early on in interviews where people who said they had voted for JFK and Johnson now voted for Trump, but they always left out the inbetween.

There are very few Gore<Kerry< Obama < Obama <Trump voters

There are a decent number of Bush<Bush< Obama< Obama< Trump voters.

I think Pew Said that number was around 500,000. Dont quote me on that because I cant find the link.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:03 AM
 
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Trump didn't defeat Hillary. Hillary defeated Hillary.
She certainly didn't help her cause as much as she could have. Sad that it took a few missteps (some big ones though) to derail her. Whereas Trump could have multiple gaffes and survive. But, he did play the "outsider card" perfectly.

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Trump won the day he raised his hand when asked if any candidate would refuse to endorse and back another candidate if they had won. I even give him credit for that. He was able to read the electorate and was willing to not fall in line.
I watched that debate. There were something like 15 candidates up there, and all but Trump raised their hands. That was a huge gamble on his part. Yuge even. I think some people (myself included), saw that gesture of the other 14 raising their hands as saying "Listen, we want to win this election at all costs. Even if we disagree with each other on some points, we are all Republicans and we will stand behind whomever earns the nomination." Nothing all that special there.

But Trump, didn't raise his hand. Which paints two pictures at once. It separated him from the pack right then and there. If someone had a snapshot of 14 Republicans with their hands up and Trump with his hand down, it wouldn't matter what the question was. It could speak to whatever you want it to.

The second thing it did, I think it really hyped up Republican voters in general with Trump's whole 'I'm not taking this BS' mantra. It worked. And it worked beautifully. That was a defining moment in his campaign.

FYI: I didn't vote for Trump, but will tip my hat to what he did then. It was a big gamble to take.
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Old 07-24-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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She certainly didn't help her cause as much as she could have. Sad that it took a few missteps (some big ones though) to derail her. Whereas Trump could have multiple gaffes and survive. But, he did play the "outsider card" perfectly.
Hillary is the only Democrat that loses to Trump. Trump could lie all day and not have the record that Hillary did. Is there plenty of hypocrisy on both sides? Without question.


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I watched that debate. There were something like 15 candidates up there, and all but Trump raised their hands. That was a huge gamble on his part. Yuge even. I think some people (myself included), saw that gesture of the other 14 raising their hands as saying "Listen, we want to win this election at all costs. Even if we disagree with each other on some points, we are all Republicans and we will stand behind whomever earns the nomination." Nothing all that special there.

But Trump, didn't raise his hand. Which paints two pictures at once. It separated him from the pack right then and there. If someone had a snapshot of 14 Republicans with their hands up and Trump with his hand down, it wouldn't matter what the question was. It could speak to whatever you want it to.

The second thing it did, I think it really hyped up Republican voters in general with Trump's whole 'I'm not taking this BS' mantra. It worked. And it worked beautifully. That was a defining moment in his campaign.

FYI: I didn't vote for Trump, but will tip my hat to what he did then. It was a big gamble to take.
So do I. I asked myself, Rand, how can you raise your hand that you would support Christie when there is very little you agree on?

Trump won't have the benefit he had the first time though. I still will not vote for Trump or a candidate from the corporate wing of the (D) party.
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Old 07-24-2018, 04:56 PM
 
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I genuinely hope someone like Howard Schultz runs. I hope he keeps doing these types of interviews.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqHvt8aTyYo
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Old 07-24-2018, 07:27 PM
 
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I genuinely hope someone like Howard Schultz runs. I hope he keeps doing these types of interviews.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqHvt8aTyYo
Why? The guy is a to the right of Nixon, Eisenhower, Ford and Reagan. We need something else than that.
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Old 07-24-2018, 07:36 PM
 
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Why? The guy is a to the right of Nixon, Eisenhower, Ford and Reagan. We need something else than that.
I doubt someone as left as Warren would win. I would love it but I don't see it. He's a white guy, they can't whine about that, he probably has more money than Trump, he's not insane. At this point, that's a win. And when he speaks, I don't want to punch him in the face. He can speak for five minutes straight without bragging about himself. Just think how nice that would be.
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