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Old 07-29-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Too early to tell. So far, economists, just like politicians have been wrong with their predictions. If you want, I can find all of the videos from early 2017 and late 2016 with them telling us there was no way our economy would improve under Trump.
So they may work? Socialist programs may work?
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Old 07-29-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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A potential Fresh Face Democrat for 2020. Mitch Landrieu

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Former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu distanced himself on Sunday from calls by some other Democrats to abolish.... ICE, saying that doing so is not "a good idea."

Landrieu, a potential dark horse candidate for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination

.. it has to protect the border, while at the same time making sure that everybody is dealt with in a constitutional way."

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Former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu is not ready to answer the question of whether he'll run for the democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential race -- he's concerned he won't be able to accomplish his goals if he stays out of the race.

For the moment, Landrieu said he's not building his campaign on the sly but instead taking some time to consider his options
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Old 07-29-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I'd like a Kennedy/Warren ticket. My crystal ball says it won't be Trump. And my crystal ball is very very smart.
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Old 07-29-2018, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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How did you vote down ballot ?
In my State I voted straight Republican because my Senators and Congress men are standing up against illegal immigration. If I found one Democrat with a better voting record I would have voted for them too. Come November I am hoping that we get rid of Senator Casey; he has fought for the rights of illegal immigrants over the voters in PA virtually on ever vote he has cast.

So; how did you vote? How are your people down in AL? You have any Democrats that work for the US?

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I dont have that problem.

You and I have different definitions of "better".
Why do you need a better definition for the term better? It seems that it is a very hard term to master for many Democrats. You would tear the Country down just to regain power!

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Nothing wrong with those things, but you are proving my point

You are destroying your argument again. Congress rights the laws, and the things you are talking about are the fault of Republicans, not Democrats.
The things I am talking about are wrong in both Parties. They write a law that says it is illegal and they don't want to tie up the loose ends. That is why I am voting for people that want to act!

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You are making false equivalency. A random John Doe killing someone in Iowa isnt equal to someone from Mexico escaping drug gangs who may be trying to murder them.
Many of those children were not accompanied. Besides; how would you know that anybody is escaping anything - you just want to open the borders and turn a blind eye! People will say anything to qualify for 'free'. The legal process is the only process we have to insure our citizens stay free from those with criminal backgrounds.

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Democrats support voters just fine, you for some reason thing they dont support you, but your reasoning is flawed on multiple levels.
I look at the voting records of Democrat after Democrat and I see no difference. They vote for the other country all the time. They have no loyalty to our Country. You would smile from ear to ear if our President's economic policies failed. Most Americans do want a BETTER life. They want jobs and a chance to support their families. Supporting the education of illegal workers is way down their list of priorities. Like our President said: Americans are Dreamers too!

Find one Democrat that will fight for us and turn their back on the leadership and you might stand a chance!
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Old 07-30-2018, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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In my State I voted straight Republican because my Senators and Congress men are standing up against illegal immigration. If I found one Democrat with a better voting record I would have voted for them too. Come November I am hoping that we get rid of Senator Casey; he has fought for the rights of illegal immigrants over the voters in PA virtually on ever vote he has cast.

So; how did you vote? How are your people down in AL? You have any Democrats that work for the US?
Every single down ballot republican you voted for is pro free trade(status quo) and pro visa for immigrants. Again, proving my point.

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Why do you need a better definition for the term better? It seems that it is a very hard term to master for many Democrats. You would tear the Country down just to regain power!
You are a one issue voter. But you cant even back up your argument for the one issue.



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The things I am talking about are wrong in both Parties. They write a law that says it is illegal and they don't want to tie up the loose ends. That is why I am voting for people that want to act
No, you didnt. You voted for people who created the problem and who perpetuate the problem.

Thats my biggest problem with you claiming you were ever once a Democrat. If you had actually voted for some of the pro union Dem candidates down ballot, I could have believed you, but you didnt. You voted a straight R ticket in a State where Republicans ran the opposite way than Trump on immigration itself and free trade.



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Many of those children were not accompanied. Besides; how would you know that anybody is escaping anything - you just want to open the borders and turn a blind eye! People will say anything to qualify for 'free'. The legal process is the only process we have to insure our citizens stay free from those with criminal backgrounds.
You understand that coming to the border and seeking asylum is indeed part of the legal process, so you are attacking them for following that process.


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I look at the voting records of Democrat after Democrat and I see no difference. They vote for the other country all the time. They have no loyalty to our Country. You would smile from ear to ear if our President's economic policies failed. Most Americans do want a BETTER life. They want jobs and a chance to support their families. Supporting the education of illegal workers is way down their list of priorities. Like our President said: Americans are Dreamers too!

Find one Democrat that will fight for us and turn their back on the leadership and you might stand a chance!
Its sad that you think saying " dont put kids in cages" or "I think the immigration process should be easier" means "I dont support americans".

Why argue based on so much hyperbole ????
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Why argue based on so much hyperbole ????

Some of your greatest critics were Democrats at one time. Regardless of what we say you take the opposite side. To me that means you do not want us back; which is fine. We don't want to come back because you are offering us nothing. I was a Democrat for about forty years; some even described me as a liberal Democrat at one time. I am even an atheist and would rather stay a Republican than come home to the Democrats. You can keep bashing us; but that will not get us back. You have to show your poker hand and you better have something in that hand other than a bluff.


By the way free trade has to be 'fair' trade to be free!
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Old 07-30-2018, 07:11 AM
 
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Some of your greatest critics were Democrats at one time. Regardless of what we say you take the opposite side. To me that means you do not want us back; which is fine. We don't want to come back because you are offering us nothing. I was a Democrat for about forty years; some even described me as a liberal Democrat at one time. I am even an atheist and would rather stay a Republican than come home to the Democrats. You can keep bashing us; but that will not get us back. You have to show your poker hand and you better have something in that hand other than a bluff.


By the way free trade has to be 'fair' trade to be free!
"free trade" does not guarantee anything.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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"free trade" does not guarantee anything.

If we have a trade deficit; something is wrong. the idea with trading is that you trade so you get services or goods that you do not have and that we give them what they don't have so that there is balance. Of course there will always be nations that have raw materials that are critical to our defense or survival and have to be purchased at a loss - hopefully this is short lived until we find what we have that has value to them. Preferably we enter into trade deals where we prosper and they lose - of course they want the same.

Regardless of the hype with Trump; he is setting us up to renegotiate. Over time good deals turn bad and considering our National deficit, like you state: ""free trade" does not guarantee anything."
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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If we have a trade deficit; something is wrong. the idea with trading is that you trade so you get services or goods that you do not have and that we give them what they don't have so that there is balance. Of course there will always be nations that have raw materials that are critical to our defense or survival and have to be purchased at a loss - hopefully this is short lived until we find what we have that has value to them. Preferably we enter into trade deals where we prosper and they lose - of course they want the same.

Regardless of the hype with Trump; he is setting us up to renegotiate. Over time good deals turn bad and considering our National deficit, like you state: ""free trade" does not guarantee anything."
Stupid theory. Free trade means that when another country can produce a product at a fraction of the cost that it can be produced here, people buy it and you have a trade deficit because the people making a fraction of what people make here can not afford what we are selling.

People who say they support "free trade" do not. Your post is a perfect example of that.
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Old 07-31-2018, 02:05 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Some of your greatest critics were Democrats at one time. Regardless of what we say you take the opposite side. To me that means you do not want us back; which is fine. We don't want to come back because you are offering us nothing. I was a Democrat for about forty years; some even described me as a liberal Democrat at one time. I am even an atheist and would rather stay a Republican than come home to the Democrats. You can keep bashing us; but that will not get us back. You have to show your poker hand and you better have something in that hand other than a bluff.


By the way free trade has to be 'fair' trade to be free!
As I said earlier on in this discussion, you havent articulated why you are a Republican, only why you arent a Democrat.

Thats my entire problem with all your post. All the things you hate about democrats are more or less about them" Not fighting for you" while the Republican were the ones that put you in the position of having to fight in the first place.

This is the equivalent of getting robbed, saying the police arent doing enough and then becoming friends with the person who robbed you. That was the entire point of me asking who you supported down ballot. I could forgive the argument that you supported Clinton over Trump because of Trade(even though Clinton's voting record is far more inline with your view than you think), but down ballot ????


Again, you live in a State where the Democrats were for the most part, against all the big trade deals you are also against, but the republicans were for it. Same thing for the immigration policies you talk about. And yet, you became a Republican(voted a straight ticket).

You even claim you agreed with Dems on some issues, but never list them, and in context of Who you voted for previously, you seem to pivot to who your wife voted for rather than who you voted for(unless I missed a post )

It seems completely possible that the last Democrat you voted for was Bill Clinton.
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