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Old 07-18-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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But she needs to up her visibility over the next couple years if she is to compete in 2020.

As I said in th other thread I like her and would gladly vote for her. But she seriously needs to step up her game soon.


God, please don't nominate a 70 year old creepy man. Or someone like Harris who is all for illegals over citizens or Booker who is the worst empty suit in Senate. Certainly not a phony like Warren.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Does the Republican party have any moderates or liberals?

The first part of that question is sort of rhetorical, I guess, as I suppose there are some moderates there - you know, the people who usually get called RINOs. But...liberals? It may be a generational thing, but I have no idea what a liberal Republican would even sound like in 2018. I wish someone would tell me.

I was a liberal Democrat! Of course they do!

Right now you have Ivanka, that was a registered Democrat, being prepared for a Presidential run!
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I don't think its about how far left the Democratic party has seemed to moved, and actually I don't think that's the issue, and in fact the issue is the fact that the Democratic party has been screwing over the people it's supposed to represent for years. It's more about having a message that resonates with the parts of America that are having it rough. I think Bernie Sanders had a message that resonated with a lot of working class Americans prior to the 2016 election, but there was no way in hell the Democratic party would have ever let him become the nominee. A true progressive will never get anywhere near the white house, just a neo-liberal with progressive ideas like Kamala or Booker. I'm sorry but Russia, Russia, Russia, and Russia is not a message


The truth is, the Democratic party would love to keep Donald Trump than have someone as far to the left as you described, BUT, they want to get in to power and reclaim some lost seats by making Trump and Russia the issue. I myself do not give a **** about Russia.

Maybe if the Democrats would have ran a better candidate than Hillary, they would have faired much better and Russia would not be an issue, and had a better strategy. Trump ran a great campaign, and was brilliantly executed by aiming for the rust belt, making trade an issue, and immigration.

You don't necessarily have to appeal to a larger audience, you need to appeal to the audience that matters and in the U.S with the electoral college, the audience that matters are the swing states in the rust belt, and I would say Florida, Virginia, North Carolina. All the other states are typically going to vote like they've always voted. Many talk about how if we didn't have the electoral college for example, CA and NY would pick our president. But we already have a system like that in place in theory as the current system makes the rust belt states and a couple swing states in the sunbelt with FLA and NC. All the other states really don't have this so called voice like Wyoming for example.

That's what Donald Trump did in 2016. He appealed to the audience that mattered in the rust belt, and that's where he spent the majority of his campaign. He nailed the rust belt down because hammered away on trade, an important issue for that part of the country, and he essentially took what was a progressive idea in being against these trade agreements, and flipped it and made it the new Republican base for half of the party. He was also able to lock down the southern part of the country with his strong message on immigration, and actually that's an issue that resonates with a good portion of America. But it really wouldn't be that hard for the Democrats to win in 2020. All you need to do in 2020 is take back Wisconsin and Michigan, states that Trump won narrowly (by 18k in Wisconsin and by 13k votes in Michigan. If you keep Virginia and everything else close to the same, you win. But you need to have a candidate who inspires people to do that.

You need to put forward a candidate that the blue collar part of America can relate to, and that will listen to their concerns as well as put forth some solutions as well as someone with a good public image which Hillary Clinton did not have what so ever.

I am not a Democrat because of where the Party stands right now. I want to hear a pro-American speech and I have not heard one for decades. The Party use to be the Party that supported our working class. It redefined our working class into including the whole world.

If I am going to hire you to do a job for me; I do not want you working for my competition. I feel like a fool and I would feel like I am wasting my money if you had no loyalty to your employer (the US voter)! That is what I see when I look at the status of the Party today.

The left has been spitting at, burning, punching the wearers of MAGA hats and tee shirts. But MAGA is a positive note - like your mention of the rust belt. The left needs their own positive note except it seems that they do not care. They need a new message and they need to change our perspective.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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Pelosi and Waters can get a few more face lifts and look fresh just in time for 2020.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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A Fresh Face Democrat in 2020 will be a unemployed scarface in 2021. Trump is unstoppable.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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How about someone who actually has an agenda for the country instead of for just the Democratic party? How about someone who is for the country and not just against Trump? The Democrats haven't had a real candidate since Barack Obama and he was a disappointment, just Bush light. The establishment Dems are no better than the establishment Repubs. Career politicians beholding to the big money donors that put them in office. The Dems don't need a new face, they need a conscience. Bernie ignited the party and was squashed. Had Hillary made him her VP candidate like JFK did with LBJ in 1960, they would have won. If Gore would have adapted just a single plank of Ralph Nader's platform in 2000, Nader's supporters would have given him the win. It's obvious these candidates would rather lose the election than buck their corporate donors. Until that changes, Trump deserves to win. Bush and Trump didn't win, the democratic candidates forfeited the election rather than abandon the status quo.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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How about someone who actually has an agenda for the country instead of for just the Democratic party? How about someone who is for the country and not just against Trump? The Democrats haven't had a real candidate since Barack Obama and he was a disappointment, just Bush light. The establishment Dems are no better than the establishment Repubs. Career politicians beholding to the big money donors that put them in office. The Dems don't need a new face, they need a conscience. Bernie ignited the party and was squashed. Had Hillary made him her VP candidate like JFK did with LBJ in 1960, they would have won. If Gore would have adapted just a single plank of Ralph Nader's platform in 2000, Nader's supporters would have given him the win. It's obvious these candidates would rather lose the election than buck their corporate donors. Until that changes, Trump deserves to win. Bush and Trump didn't win, the democratic candidates forfeited the election rather than abandon the status quo.
Trump doesn't "deserve" to win but it will default to him unless the (D)'s do as you note. They can't beat the Republican's at their own game and that is what they are trying to do.
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Old 07-18-2018, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I don't think the Democrats have a chance in 2020. Donald Trump has Putin in has pockets and Putin will throw the 2020 election like he did the 2016 election!
So true. I hear the Russians are flooding the blue states with undocumented kulaks as we speak...
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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They had a fresh face in 2008.
And he is Great.
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I just filled out this Straw Poll and voted for Joe Kennedy....smart young face. I'd like to see another Kennedy at the helm.

https://go.traindemocrats.org/page/s...F1_S1_C1__db-3
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