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Old 09-10-2018, 07:14 PM
 
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The Trump administration is sending aide to farmers until the tariff issue is settled.

I would think people would be happy automation is replacing illegal alien labor in our country, particularly given the living conditions many endure.
The financial aid to farmers due to tariffs is not enough money to make up for the farmers' losses related to tariffs. Maybe it covers 1/3 of their losses for some farmers. Although other farmers get no aid. In addition, the farm subsidies are coming from the federal budget and this is digging the USA deeper into debt. It's not sustainable and it's a failure to the farmers as well as the taxpayers. The farmers dont' want subsidies - they want the tariffs removed.

The small subsidies are not enough money for the farmers to automate or even for them to buy a new tractor. The tariffs are terrible for farmers as well as for many companies in the USA. They won't have money to automate if they are impacted by the tariffs. Instead, some companies will go under, some will layoff, some will move production to other countries(even after subsidies).

Smaller farms and businesses will take massive losses for the year and some farmers will be forced to sell off land rather than lose the entire farm. There's no end in sight as far as a solution to the tariffs unless Democrats take control. Then there's hope that they can get enough Republicans to vote to get rid of the tariffs.

As soon as Trump leaves office, the next president (even Pence) will remove the tariffs. Tariffs are a failure, just like Trump. And Ted Cruz supports the failed Trump policies too. Cruz is bad for TX. Cruz is bad for America.

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Old 09-10-2018, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The financial aid to farmers due to tariffs is not enough money to make up for the farmers' losses related to tariffs. Maybe it covers 1/3 of their losses for some farmers. Although other farmers get no aid. In addition, the farm subsidies are coming from the federal budget and this is digging the USA deeper into debt. It's not sustainable and it's a failure to the farmers as well as the taxpayers. The farmers dont' want subsidies - they want the tariffs removed.

The small subsidies are not enough money for the farmers to automate or even for them to buy a new tractor. The tariffs are terrible for farmers as well as for many companies in the USA. They won't have money to automate if they are impacted by the tariffs. Instead, some companies will go under, some will layoff, some will move production to other countries(even after subsidies).

Smaller farms and businesses will take massive losses for the year and some farmers will be forced to sell off land rather than lose the entire farm. There's no end in sight as far as a solution to the tariffs unless Democrats take control. Then there's hope that they can get enough Republicans to vote to get rid of the tariffs.

As soon as Trump leaves office, the next president (even Pence) will remove the tariffs. Tariffs are a failure, just like Trump. And Ted Cruz supports the failed Trump policies too. Cruz is bad for TX. Cruz is bad for America.
Yup. The farmers who hollered the loudest got some breaks in subsidies. The farmers who didn't yell as loud got no subsidies.

None of the subsidies are high enough to match the pre-tariff crop prices the farmers were getting on the global open market.

Modern farms all use and use up a lot of manufactured products that are going to be hit the hardest by the tariffs. This includes the entire implement industry, all the companies who manufacture grain drills, disc plows, tillers, rakes, soil conditioners, weeders, and other equipment, and they are all completely dependent on the farmers, who are the only buyers for their products.

Tractors, trailers, trucks, etc. are obvious, but they're not the companies that may be hurt the worst. Most farmers can hold off buying a new tractor for years with good maintenance. It's the smaller equipment that will really get hit.

Most of these companies are relatively small, and are located in small towns in the mid-west. They are usually the only industry a town has. A company like Hesston, a leader in hay equipment, sells a lot more new balers every year than a tractor maker like John Deere. Hay balers take a beating, and simply don't last as long as a tractor.
And since they don't cost as much, farmers replace them more frequently. Dozens of implements are like that, and they are all a lot of job providers.

The tariffs will also hit the seed grain business very hard, along with the small parts companies that make spray equipment, irrigation systems, pumps, control panels, and even GPS systems, drones, and specialized computer software.

The worst thing about tariffs is the ripple effect. These days, a company that has no direct line to agriculture can suddenly find they can't sell any of their products because the farmers can't afford to buy them. Every piece of equipment on a farm has something that is outsourced in it. None of them make everything that goes into their products in-house.

Worse, the tariffs will cause American farmers to lag behind the cutting edge of ag technology. The world's farmers are all as industrialized as we are now, and they are all investing heavily in tech that will increase crop yield using less energy, less water, fewer chemicals, and less labor.

Some of those developments are quite radical and require huge initial investments from the farmers. But they also come with a lot of radical support, which can make the investment pay off very quickly.
Manufacturers and farmers work hand-in-hand out of necessity; each helps the other to thrive in a very symbiotic relationship.

If our farmers lose that edge, we could be in serious trouble for a very long time to come. Catch-up is really hard if a farmer is using nothing but obsolescent technology.

Tariffs once worked when all farmers everywhere were raising crops all around the planet in much the same ways using much the same machinery. Those days ended decades ago, and are never coming back.
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Old 09-11-2018, 03:50 PM
 
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McConnell is the latest Republican to speak out about the possibility of Cruz losing to O'Rourke.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0162f47318c13

Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday became the latest Republican to say Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) faces a difficult fight in the Texas Senate race against Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas).

“I think Ted’s got a competitive race by all indications,
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Old 09-12-2018, 01:26 AM
 
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LOL at you people buying the gaslighting. It won't be a 30-pt blowout but Cruz should win barring some crazy idiotic gaffe/scandal on his part, especially when he's riding the coattails of a popular gov in Abbott. Wouldn't surprise me if Rs are "panicking" so they can coax Dems into putting resources into Texas at the expense of other states they're competing in.

-B-but tariffs. The vast majority of soybeans(in which its value collapsed years ago) are produced under contract for huge agribusinesses like ConAgra and ADM. They can manage. The economy the way it is in Texas can make up for short term pain.
-B-but Cruz is unlikable. Yes he is. He's a lazy turd. But it's him vs a far left apologist for illegals and California.
-B-but Trump only won by 9 points so it'll hurt Cruz lolz. Does it really matter when the GOP got 1.5 million voters in the Texas primaries? How is Beto winning a statewide race when he's losing districts that Trump lost?

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Old 09-12-2018, 04:05 AM
 
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LOL at you people buying the gaslighting. It won't be a 30-pt blowout but Cruz should win barring some crazy idiotic gaffe/scandal on his part, especially when he's riding the coattails of a popular gov in Abbott. Wouldn't surprise me if Rs are "panicking" so they can coax Dems into putting resources into Texas at the expense of other states they're competing in.

-B-but tariffs. The vast majority of soybeans(in which its value collapsed years ago) are produced under contract for huge agribusinesses like ConAgra and ADM. They can manage. The economy the way it is in Texas can make up for short term pain.
-B-but Cruz is unlikable. Yes he is. He's a lazy turd. But it's him vs a far left apologist for illegals and California.
-B-but Trump only won by 9 points so it'll hurt Cruz lolz. Does it really matter when the GOP got 1.5 million voters in the Texas primaries? How is Beto winning a statewide race when he's losing districts that Trump lost?

Soybean prices didn't collapse years ago, they hit all time highs in 2012

Current soybean prices are at their lowest point since the 08 economic downturn because of the trade war

Small farmers still grow soybeans and are being hurt by this.

Some of them may not be fine.

Lastly, I'm not sure you know what gaslighting means.
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Old 09-12-2018, 04:56 AM
 
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It wasn't the end of the administration. Garland was nominated Mar 2016 - 10 months before the end of the administration and 8 months before the election. Everyone knows that the GOP used it as an excuse to block the nomination and it was a political move with a lame excuse that nobody believes.

The GOP had to keep repeating the lame excuse because they didn't want to admit that they blocked the nomination because they could, due to being in control of congress. Even you know it was a lame excuse, yet you repeat it. Spare us.
Exactly right. There is nothing that this crime syndicate formerly known as the GOP will not do to cheat and steal. And the very idea that a jerkwad such as Trump is allowed to submit corporate tools such as Gorsuch and Kavanaugh while he is under active investigations is the pinnacle of absurdity. When the facts are all out, do these two get recalled? They should be. They also they both stole the seat from Garland and they know it, but true to right wing form, they have zero integrity and are in fact tools. The Democratic party's gonads are invisible and if they do not do what needs to be done when they win back the majority...**** them too!
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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And Beto receives funding from Soros, and you can bet big donors as well. Money is the name of the game in politics, unless you're a billionaire like Trump, that doesn't owe alligence (sp?) to any PAC or large donor.
Prove your info--
Or stop making that claim...
There are only private donors giving to Beto--no PAC money unlike Cruz
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:17 PM
 
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Beto will be on Stephen Colbert's show tonight...
He is gaining a national platform due to his charisma and his agenda...
That expanded presence can help him even w/o a debate w/Cruz to raise his profile
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:35 PM
 
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LOL at you people buying the gaslighting. It won't be a 30-pt blowout but Cruz should win barring some crazy idiotic gaffe/scandal on his part, especially when he's riding the coattails of a popular gov in Abbott. Wouldn't surprise me if Rs are "panicking" so they can coax Dems into putting resources into Texas at the expense of other states they're competing in.

-B-but tariffs. The vast majority of soybeans(in which its value collapsed years ago) are produced under contract for huge agribusinesses like ConAgra and ADM. They can manage. The economy the way it is in Texas can make up for short term pain.
-B-but Cruz is unlikable. Yes he is. He's a lazy turd. But it's him vs a far left apologist for illegals and California.
-B-but Trump only won by 9 points so it'll hurt Cruz lolz. Does it really matter when the GOP got 1.5 million voters in the Texas primaries? How is Beto winning a statewide race when he's losing districts that Trump lost?
Why would anyone vote for a coward like Cruz when he couldn’t even stand up to a president who insulted his family. A real man stands up and defends his family no matter what.
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Old 09-13-2018, 12:25 AM
 
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Why would anyone vote for a coward like Cruz when he couldn’t even stand up to a president who insulted his family. A real man stands up and defends his family no matter what.
^^^^^ Your post reinforces Trump's view of masculinity, and that seems to have gone over your head.

No woman in Heidi Cruz's league would ever give Trump the time of day. Deep down, I think Trump knows that....and it bothers him. And Cruz knows that women like his wife would never give Trump the time of day.
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