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Vice President isn't the same as running for president.
That has been your response to my questioning why this is suddenly so egregious from a man ran for President 2x, served in the US Senate for decades, and was Vice President for a whopping two terms/8 years.
I think it a very important question that you have dismissed rather than honestly answer.
Out of context? You mean like taking a position shared by many, Democrat and Republican, Back and White, in the 1970s and suddenly behaving like the man is the 2nd coming of Nathan Bedford Forrest?
Forced busing was court ordered and wildly unpopular. Many people across the spectrum disliked it. By the 1990s it was declared a failure. If Biden had any balls, he would state that.
I already addressed this post in an earlier response:
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That's true.
Vice Presidents have far less power and influence than one thinks (just ask Al Gore or Harry Truman). Vice Presidents like Dick Cheney are the exception, not the rule.
Furthermore, VPs are not elected by the people like presidents are. So scrutinizing them adds less value than scrunitizing elected officials.
I never said VPs aren't scruntized, rather it's non value-added to spend time scruntinizing them. Voters don't pick and choose running mates, nor will VPs be leading the country.
And to repeat once more, the purpose of this thread is to thoroughly vet the record of the apparent frontrunner in the Democratic Primary, which even you admit is a normal part of Democracy. Your whataboutisms can't and won't change that.
I already addressed this post in an earlier response:
I never said VPs aren't scruntized, rather it's non value-added to spend time scruntinizing them. Voters don't pick and choose running mates, nor will VPs be leading the country.
Sheer nonsense.
VPs are scrutinized relentlessly. So much so that they are sometimes dropped from the ticket. Henry Wallace and Thomas Eagleton would be two of the more well-known examples. They were dropped because voters found them wanting.
VPs do not lead the country? Was that serious? Do you really believe that?
Ever hear of Andrew Johnson, Teddy Roosevelt, Harry S Truman, Lyndon Baines Johnson, or Gerald Ford?
Even VPs like Nixon and GWB went on to win the presidential election.
No, you have not addressed anything and have contradicted yourself at every turn.
VPs are scrutinized relentlessly. So much so that they are sometimes dropped from the ticket. Henry Wallace and Thomas Eagleton would be two of the more well-known examples. They were dropped because voters found them wanting.
VPs do not lead the country? Was that serious? Do you really believe that?
Ever hear of Andrew Johnson, Teddy Roosevelt, Harry S Truman, Lyndon Baines Johnson, or Gerald Ford?
Even VPs like Nixon and GWB went on to win the presidential election.
No, you have not addressed anything and have contradicted yourself at every turn.
Scrutinizing VPs adds no value. Scrutinizing people campaigning to become the leader of the free world is perfectly reasonable.
Every single one of those people you listed only had enough power and influence to be worthy of scrutiny after becoming President or running to become the President.
Ask Sarah Palin how little scrutiny VP candidates receive. Of course one of you will say, "But she's different".
The reality about Biden (my spell check keeps changing his name to bidet) is that all of this has been known for decades and he's never once has had to answer for it.
Well, " That's just Joe ". And, he's a Democrat and gets a pass. Ask Ralph Northam about that.
Ask Sarah Palin how little scrutiny VP candidates receive. Of course one of you will say, "But she's different".
The reality about Biden (my spell check keeps changing his name to bidet) is that all of this has been known for decades and he's never once has had to answer for it.
Well, " That's just Joe ". And, he's a Democrat and gets a pass. Ask Ralph Northam about that.
That's because Joe Biden has never been in a position with real executive power and influence (including as VP). Under the Obama administration, the buck for whatever occurred from a leadership standpoint stopped with Obama, not with Biden.
That being said, if Biden were to win the Democratic nomination and win the general election, he will be in a position with real executive power and influence in his capacity as POTUS, and being the frontrunner in the race for that position, his day of reckoning to answer for his poor record has arrived.
And for the record, I also didn't think the scrutiny of Palin was value-added either.
Scrutinizing VPs adds no value. Scrutinizing people campaigning to become the leader of the free world is perfectly reasonable.
Every single one of those people you listed only had enough power and influence to be worthy of scrutiny after becoming President or running to become the President.
You are not making any sense.
We should scrutinize the President but not the man or woman running alongside him.
We should scrutinize the President but not the man or woman running alongside him.
Yea, ok.
As you admitted yourself, most presidents who are elected make it through their entire terms without being removed from office. So to use a bunch of energy scrunitizing people who have a fairly low chance of becoming POTUS is a waste of time, in my opinion.
That is why no one scrunitized Biden as much when he was Obama's running mate in 2008 and instead people are scruntinizing him even more now as he runs for POTUS.
Ask Sarah Palin how little scrutiny VP candidates receive. Of course one of you will say, "But she's different"..
She lost the election. Your point?
But here's the thing on that. Palin wiped the floor with Biden when they debated.
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