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Old 04-14-2008, 10:14 AM
 
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Thanks but I didn't need the definition. It happens all the time on this forum. I am still waiting for an Obama supporter to tell me how is actually going to "change" something without directing me to his website.
I agree that he is WAY overdue to say something substantial. Hillary would have had to concede and go home long ago. It disturbs me too that he keeps not saying anything.

But he's not a moron, or hates whites, or sneers or makes fun of anyone. And really, look at the alternatives. I like to think that of the three candidates he would attract the most positive, brightest cabinet and advisers. I think he and whoever he would surround himself with would be the most likely to correct America's image in the eyes of the world, for example. He's not part of an old corrupt regime, either, and the other two are.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:28 AM
 
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I believe Obama supporters are clueless of how these gaffes and associations are hurting Obama. These are things that may not show up in what people tell pollsters but I really believe that in the privacy of the voting booth this stuff is going to be devastating to Obama in the fall among white voters. I am no Hillary fan, but Democrats better take another look at her before settling on Obama.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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I'm not at all offended, but then I'm not bitter, nor did I accuse Obama of making negative comments about the general public (and I'm from PA, which is where he stated it)

I think that other Democratic candidate might be though.. bitter over moving to NY, to take her natural stepping stone (per their thought) into the Congress, then the next stone into the White House, never once thinking that anyone, let alone a black guy could beat her.. That would make her bitter for sure..
Considering the fact that she could have ran in 2004 but chose to add four more years of the so called "35 yrs of experience"
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:36 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Truth hurts huh!
The one who the truth hurts is Obama. The more he speaks his inner truth, the further insight he provides us as to who he really is. An out-of-touch liberal. . . .
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:38 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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What is your definition of a "real Democrat?"
A person who hopes for change of course. Let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya too.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:45 AM
 
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I believe Obama supporters are clueless of how these gaffes and associations are hurting Obama. These are things that may not show up in what people tell pollsters but I really believe that in the privacy of the voting booth this stuff is going to be devastating to Obama in the fall among white voters. I am no Hillary fan, but Democrats better take another look at her before settling on Obama.
he s gathering 33% white vote whilst "black" candidates like Jesse jackson only got 10%


It was always gonna be an issue. But Clinton has a much baggage
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:47 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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A person who hopes for change of course. Let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya too.
If the choice comes down to Obama or McCain, it should be clear who offers the real Washington shake-up. He isn't called Maverick for nothing. . . .
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:53 AM
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The one who the truth hurts is Obama. The more he speaks his inner truth, the further insight he provides us as to who he really is. An out-of-touch liberal. . . .

How is he out of touch when factories across America have been closing up shop for years. These factories employ people of small town America. No other jobs have come along the line to substitute for the factory employment. You think these unemployed people are happy? Hell I'm employed and I'm bitter b/c the rest of the nation is suffering. I wish I could do something about it.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Sugar Grove, IL
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I personally think that the candidates for president should not spend all of their time focusing on the job they want, but on the job they have! I am from Illinois and our local papers printed a "How they voted" column last week. On the issues, Obama didn't vote! I did not vote for him, and do not support him, but think that I am owed a certain amount of representation in his current capacity. that is what is making me bitter!!!!
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:59 AM
 
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I believe Obama supporters are clueless of how these gaffes and associations are hurting Obama.
That's true, they are hurting him badly.

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These are things that may not show up in what people tell pollsters but I really believe that in the privacy of the voting booth this stuff is going to be devastating to Obama in the fall among white voters.
Yeah you right - I cant find the original AP release this blog is commmenting on, so I dont know the source, but, yes:
I read a story that came over The Associated Press news service last week saying that whites who said race was important in picking their candidate for president have been about twice as likely to back Sen. Hillary Clinton as Sen. Barack Obama.

The story went on to say that exit polls of voters in Democratic primaries also show that whites who considered the contender's race were three times more likely to say they would only be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee than if Obama were chosen.

This can't be true, I thought to myself as I read the story. This can't be true. If this is, indeed, true, perhaps we have not come as far as I thought we had when it comes to race relations in the United States over the past 50 years.

When we go in the voting booth, don't we cast our ballot for the best candidate rather than a person's race or gender? Isn't that what we base our vote upon?

The AP story went on to say the figures in the exit polls shed some light on race's effect on a competition that moves to the April 22 primary in Pennsylvania, which has a slightly greater proportion of whites than average.

The numbers, the story added, also underscore the challenge Obama could face in the general election, when whites will comprise a larger share of voters and tend to be more conservative than those participating in the Democratic primaries.
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I am no Hillary fan, but Democrats better take another look at her before settling on Obama.
Can you imagine 4 years of Hillary Clinton, though? Or more Bush & Co.?

I do think that of the three, Obama will attract the brightest and most level-headed cabinet and advisors. That's something to think about!

EDIT - concerning the long quote above - I know you're talking about Obama's mistakes and gaffes affecting the voting booth, and not race. But I think if people are dissatisfied with his public performance they'll have no problem telling pollsters that.
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