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Old 09-24-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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All Trumpers have are edited videos and lies. Lies and mistruths are the Trumpers stock and trade just like their master himself.
You mean like mainstream media editing Trump clips for the past three years? That's the main reason so many Demwits have joined the #WalkAway movement. They've realized they've been lied to.


#WalkAway and save your sanity
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: USA
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You mean like mainstream media editing Trump clips for the past three years? That's the main reason so many Demwits have joined the #WalkAway movement. They've realized they've been lied to.


#WalkAway and save your sanity
Walk away from the party that turned a blind eye to the destruction of Libya, Syria, and secret meetings with the Racist Farrakhan, by the Lefts ideal president, Barack Obama
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:45 AM
 
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Tariffs have hurt the stock market.

Anyways I was pointing our Romney coming out against a capital gains tax cut. Along with some of Rubio's comments, or Josh Hawley's anti-trust binge.

There is a seismic shift happening in the republican party, something that wouldn't happen 5 years ago.

Also I disagree with a 50/50 split, capital should be controlled by the people who use it, not a financial class that control the direction of our economy. The split should be far more one sided towards labor, and the capital end shouldn't be exclusively in the pocket of financial management.
You want the split to be more toward labor? That's great. I do too. The Republican's party's policies don't do that. So right now, it's about 60/40 toward capital and still not heading back toward 50/50.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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Pretty much. The DNC doesn't like the Idea that he's old, white, sorta Christian, and not Socialist enough, but they will stick with him if they think he can win. There's a good chance his VP will become President, so that will be interesting. The DNC's ideal person would be black, female, and Muslim, but they would take anyone that would help Biden win.
I have no idea what you think the DNC is. Biden's exactly who the DNC wants. Someone that's been part of the establishment, moderate and won't shake up the status quo that the DNC has been accustomed to during the last two Democratic administrations. They don't care about the candidates' race or gender as long as they don't shake up prior administrations. Hillary was a disaster candidate, but she stood for exactly what the DNC wanted.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You want the split to be more toward labor? That's great. I do too. The Republican's party's policies don't do that. So right now, it's about 60/40 toward capital and still not heading back toward 50/50.
I know Republicans have since the 70s pursued total neo-liberal economic reform.

I'm saying its changing. Rhetorically right now but there is a real shift towards populist right wing from free market capitalism.

Marco Rubio nor Mitt Romney (Bain Capital guy) wouldn't be saying the things they are saying if it weren't true.

Look at Josh Hawley or other new republicans, the shift is real.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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I know Republicans have since the 70s pursued total neo-liberal economic reform.

I'm saying its changing. Rhetorically right now but there is a real shift towards populist right wing from free market capitalism.

Marco Rubio nor Mitt Romney (Bain Capital guy) wouldn't be saying the things they are saying if it weren't true.

Look at Josh Hawley or other new republicans, the shift is real.
Okay, but they haven't raised the marginal tax rate for personal income tax, they lowered the estate tax, they barely lowered it for those not in an "executive" level of wages/salaries, they're anti-union, they're anti-minimum wage increases, wage growth isn't any better than prior administrations. None of that lends to the populism you speak of other than rhetoric.

Romney may have come out against a capital gains tax cut, but they didn't raise it.

Carried interest? Haven't done anything.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Okay, but they haven't raised the marginal tax rate for personal income tax, they lowered the estate tax, they barely lowered it for those not in an "executive" level of wages/salaries, they're anti-union, they're anti-minimum wage increases, wage growth isn't any better than prior administrations. None of that lends to the populism you speak of other than rhetoric.

Romney may have come out against a capital gains tax cut, but they didn't raise it.

Carried interest? Haven't done anything.
Its rhetorical right now.

But this shift would never have happened pre-trump.

Its yet to translate into policy but as corporate America becomes more political republicans will have to find new ways to keep their base.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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Its rhetorical right now.

But this shift would never have happened pre-trump.

Its yet to translate into policy but as corporate America becomes more political republicans will have to find new ways to keep their base.
They literally had the House, Senate and Presidency in 2017 and did not pass whatever policy you're saying they now stand for. They passed the opposite. If they truly stood for what you're saying, they could've done it then. They didn't. It's a scam.

I'm sorry, millions of people have been fooled. The Republicans did exactly what they wanted to do, and if they weren't such morons, they would've taken healthcare away from millions of people, too, increased profits for the insurance companies, and decreased coverage for regular people. It would've been another net income transfer from the poor and middle class to the wealthy.
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Old 09-24-2019, 02:26 PM
 
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They literally had the House, Senate and Presidency in 2017 and did not pass whatever policy you're saying they now stand for. They passed the opposite. If they truly stood for what you're saying, they could've done it then. They didn't. It's a scam.

I'm sorry, millions of people have been fooled. The Republicans did exactly what they wanted to do, and if they weren't such morons, they would've taken healthcare away from millions of people, too, increased profits for the insurance companies, and decreased coverage for regular people. It would've been another net income transfer from the poor and middle class to the wealthy.
Agree. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Do people not see the irony in a billionaire New York City real estate developer passing himself off as a populist?
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Old 09-24-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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Agree. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Do people not see the irony in a billionaire New York City real estate developer passing himself off as a populist?
Sadly, I'm not sure it's seen. First, I do think you can be a billionaire and be for more equitable policies. Trump is not that person. But the situation is sad, and it happens with every Republican administration. Usually they try to say that trickle down economics will work - Reagan, W, and Romney all did it. In this instance, Trump took a populist stance and got a bunch of independents and Democrats to vote for him, and then they passed their trickle down tax reform legislation.

The only problem is, nothing in the policy requires the companies making money to invest further in wage growth for current employees or hiring of new employees to get the new tax rate. Sure, companies hire new employees, but at no greater rate than the last administration. Companies also used the tax savings for stock buybacks, which also helps boost share prices. That may indirectly help transfer wealth to labor via their 401k, very marginally, but it's much easier to balance wealth to labor with better pay increases.
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