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Old 04-22-2008, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Dallas, NC
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I don't remember a primary period that got as ugly as the Democratic one this time. In my younger years, I didn't follow as closely as I have been this year.

Most people are really committed to either Hillary or Obama. And while, in theory, they are very close on the issues, they are very different personalities. They have attacked each other on different personal issues and both been caught in some compromising situations. Please don't try to dispute this part of it b/c it's true. Many Obama supporters seem to truly hate Hillary and what she stands for and the same can be said of Hillary supporters with regard to Obama. Then, you have McCain who has been floating through probably laughing his butt off at the antics going on thinking his ticket has been punched for the White House. I honestly don't blame Hillary for fighting to the end. It's the American way. But it's gotten very ugly and tiresome from both of them.

We're getting closer to the end and with the end in sight, we must start looking ahead to November. So, can and will the Democrats come together once there is one candidate for the Democrats? If you support Hillary and she doesn't get the nomination, what will Obama have to say or do to convince you to vote for him? If Obama doesn't get the nomination, what will Hillary have to say or do to get your vote? Or will the Republicans get 4 more years in the White House? Do you think it hurt the Democrats to push two minority candidates this year or did it help?

Please no bitter diatribes or name calling. It's getting old and I'm really curious to know how others feel about this.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Reasonable question, probably can't be answered until after the convention.

As one who isn't going to vote for either, I can tell you that I think the campaign has provided a lot of stuff for the McCain folks to use in the general election. If the Republicans can keep Ohio on their side, and pick up Pa, it will make the election very difficult for the Democrats to win.

I suspect more Obama supporters will go to Clinton than vice versa.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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I don't remember a primary period that got as ugly as the Democratic one this time. In my younger years, I didn't follow as closely as I have been this year.

Most people are really committed to either Hillary or Obama. And while, in theory, they are very close on the issues, they are very different personalities. They have attacked each other on different personal issues and both been caught in some compromising situations. Please don't try to dispute this part of it b/c it's true. Many Obama supporters seem to truly hate Hillary and what she stands for and the same can be said of Hillary supporters with regard to Obama. Then, you have McCain who has been floating through probably laughing his butt off at the antics going on thinking his ticket has been punched for the White House. I honestly don't blame Hillary for fighting to the end. It's the American way. But it's gotten very ugly and tiresome from both of them.

We're getting closer to the end and with the end in sight, we must start looking ahead to November. So, can and will the Democrats come together once there is one candidate for the Democrats? If you support Hillary and she doesn't get the nomination, what will Obama have to say or do to convince you to vote for him? If Obama doesn't get the nomination, what will Hillary have to say or do to get your vote? Or will the Republicans get 4 more years in the White House? Do you think it hurt the Democrats to push two minority candidates this year or did it help?
Barring something unforeseen, Obama will finish ahead in both delegates and the popular vote. Therefore, Hillary can only win by overturning the will of the people. I will not vote for a nominee that was chosen exclusively by party insiders.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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The question is...will Hillary supporters get with the program once this is all set and done? Does anyone really believe that these so called Superdels are gonna hand Hillary the nomination b/c of the wrightgate and bittergate? or the most silly argument of all - the big state theory? Perhaps the big state theory would have been credible if the margins of victory were in 20%+, or maybe 700,000+ votes. Dems will come together this fall if they care about the issues but if they care more about their failed candidates (which i don't believe) - then it's gonna be a problem
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Boston (North End)
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Barring something unforeseen, Obama will finish ahead in both delegates and the popular vote. Therefore, Hillary can only win by overturning the will of the people. I will not vote for a nominee that was chosen exclusively by party insiders.
Most people would agree. If Hillary wins by Super-Delegates, the Dem. party will loose for certain. The entire black vote will dissapear and rightfully so. If Barrack wins, I think that Hillary supporters will be pissed at first, but most will come around by November. Problem is, a lot of Hillary voters also like Mcain, as they are both moderates. But then again, Obama has a lot more money by far. He also has the young vote and the black vote, but those two groups have always proven unreliable on voting day.

In Summary: No way to tell. Even the "experts" have been getting it wrong since Iowa.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Most people would agree. If Hillary wins by Super-Delegates, the Dem. party will loose for certain. The entire black vote will dissapear and rightfully so. If Barrack wins, I think that Hillary supporters will be pissed at first, but most will come around by November. Problem is, a lot of Hillary voters also like Mcain, as they are both moderates. But then again, Obama has a lot more money by far. He also has the young vote and the black vote, but those two groups have always proven unreliable on voting day.

In Summary: No way to tell. Even the "experts" have been getting it wrong since Iowa.
I see the bolded statement as the key, enough Hillary supporters could stay home or switch to McCain to give him a victory. It doesn't take much of a % to switch many of the key states.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:33 AM
 
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the experts are getting it wrong because Obama really is a phenomenon. The people do want change.

McCain can paint himself a liberal but Axelrod will nail him hard
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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the experts are getting it wrong because Obama really is a phenomenon. The people do want change.

McCain can paint himself a liberal but Axelrod will nail him hard
McCain won't paint himself as a liberal for the general election, nor will the Democratic nominee. The label doesn't carry much weight in US politics today.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Yes we can.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:47 AM
 
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McCain won't paint himself as a liberal for the general election, nor will the Democratic nominee. The label doesn't carry much weight in US politics today.
i beg to differ, the conservatives have given McCain the nod coz they think the people thinks Mccain is a "liberal" and will garner the left leaning moderates and indies to prolong the Neocon Whitehouse.

If McCain makes a mistake, this could be a worse defeat than the 1964 Goldwater loss.


If McCain keeps on message, then its a toss-up and an identity politicking
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