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Old 04-23-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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socialists want everyone to be the same
Spoken like someone truly ignorant of Socialism. Do yourself a favor and do some research before offering opinions. Youth for International Socialism - Marxism FAQ
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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Socialism refers to the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.

distributing wealth. I am pretty sure that is wanting everyone to be the same. economically at least. wake up, it's 1984 and george orwell is calling.

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Spoken like someone truly ignorant of Socialism. Do yourself a favor and do some research before offering opinions. Youth for International Socialism - Marxism FAQ

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Old 04-23-2008, 12:46 PM
 
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I find it interesting, #1, that when you talk about being "mean," you only refer to Clinton supporters. Meanwhile, some of the Obamaphiles have "out-meaned" anyone on here and many Clinton supporters have gotten disgusted and stopped posting. I know I don't post nearly as much as I did previously. Being called a "bi**h" and "ignorant" by them gets really old.
I certainly didn't mean it that way, I believe I mentioned that it came from both sides but did not specifically mention an example.

To be clear, the meanness comes from both sides.
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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Socialism refers to the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.
You should put the word "community" in quotes. While purporting to speak for the community there will be a small clique who run everything for their own benefit. Look at the Soviet Union. Look at Castro's Cuba. The people, the community, shop at their second rate stores while the elite have their own special stores where the "community" cannot shop. Same with health care, vacations villas, etc. Socialism is a great system if you belong to the elite. As for the "community", not so much.
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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to be clear, it comes from 3 sides. republicans can be mean too!

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I certainly didn't mean it that way, I believe I mentioned that it came from both sides but did not specifically mention an example.

To be clear, the meanness comes from both sides.
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:52 PM
 
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This forum is so frustrating!!!! Why denigrate and insult each other? Why can't people have differing views without insulting and belittling each other??

Who do so many Clintonites label all Obamaites as brainless, kool-aid drinking automatons incapable of rational thought? Why is there the assumption that we are all idiot minions who don't understand his positions or recognize his faults, or proceed as sheep? Who started that? I certainly don't see that in real life.

I don't understand why Clinton has so much support still but I certainly think we should be civil to each other, mislabeling and insulting the "other side" (both ways) is destructive, mean spirited, and completely useless.

[EDIT] Why do some Obamaites accuse Clintonites of racism? or other nasty insults?

We should be THRILLED that there are two Dem candidates who inspire so much passion and excitement from their base. We shouldn't mock and insult one another over it.

Is everyone so insulated behind their keyboards that they can't be decent to one another anymore?

Maybe I expect to much from the Internet. {sigh}
Is your angst reserved only for Democrats, or does it extend to Republicans, as well?
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Austin
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This forum is so frustrating!!!! Why denigrate and insult each other? Why can't people have differing views without insulting and belittling each other??

Who do so many Clintonites label all Obama supports as brainless, kool-aid drinking automatons incapable of rational thought? Why is there the assumption that we are all idiot minions who don't understand his positions or recognize his faults, or proceed as sheep? Who started that? I certainly don't see that in real life.

I don't understand why Clinton has so much support still but I certainly think we should be civil to each other, mislabeling and insulting the "other side" (both ways) is destructive, mean spirited, and completely useless.

We should be THRILLED that there are two Dem candidates who inspire so much passion and excitement from their base. We shouldn't mock and insult one another over it.

Is everyone so insulated behind their keyboards that they can't be decent to one another anymore?

Maybe I expect to much from the Internet. {sigh}
I see what you are saying. I don't know what kind of pathologies come into play with this, but if you look at the numbers there are a lot more Hillary Clinton supporters that would hand the reins of our country over to McCain and 4 more years of Bush-like destruction of our country if Obama gets the nomination, than the other way around.

I think Hillary is a lying, calculating, shrill woman. But I know she would do better for our country than McCain would.
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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the golden rule transcends politics. the golden rule that those with the most gold, makes all the rules.

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You should put the word "community" in quotes. While purporting to speak for the community there will be a small clique who run everything for their own benefit. Look at the Soviet Union. Look at Castro's Cuba. The people, the community, shop at their second rate stores while the elite have their own special stores where the "community" cannot shop. Same with health care, vacations villas, etc. Socialism is a great system if you belong to the elite. As for the "community", not so much.
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:53 PM
 
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Don't forget that we are frequently being accused of being racist. And Obama people are also calling the blue collar workers in PA racist also for not voting for Hillary.

And it's the ugliness of the Obama voters that additionally turn me off from the Obama campaign. Sure, Obama has not directly said any of these things, however I see that Obama has a terrible effect on the people that support him. He is the one bringing out the the ugly side of people and he is the one causing divisiveness, not Hillary. The Obama cult is all happy with their thoughts of hope and change until someone disrupts their false reality bubble, then they turn nasty.
I edited my first post to me more inclusive, do you see your post as being as 1 sided as I do? ie: It's the Obama people that are the problem? Do you really think the Hillary side bears no blame?

Broad brushes just make a bigger mess.
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Dallas, NC
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To answer your question, yes some of the comments thrown out on here are awful. And it does come from both sides. I tried to take the high road and be nice but I got really tired of being told I'm an uneducated, unelightened moron for not supporting Obama. So I throw it out like I get it. No one really knows me here anyway. And that's probably how a lot of people feel. You can "say" what you really think here b/c no one knows the real you.
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