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Old 04-23-2008, 10:56 PM
 
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The poor Catholics. They just will not know what to do. Their choices are gonna be limited. Consider:

1. Obama. White Catholics will vote Democrat 85% of the time. Sometimes they will vote for a black candidate but only for "legislative" positions like Congressman, Senator or judge. NEVER for "executive" positions such as Mayor, Govornor or President. They just cannot bring themselves to vote for such a thing.

2, McCain. Yes the one who pals around with people that refer to Catholics as "Satan Worshippers" and other assorted scum. Somehow McCain gets away with saying "I denounce Hagee's bigotry but he is still a good friend". Works for McCain- didn't so well for Obama and Rev Wright.

So will the white Catholics vote for Obama, vote for McCain or not vote at all??
Your characterization of Catholic voting patterns appears to be unsubstantiated. His lack of support among Catholics has to do with his voting record, and will probably be magnified with the sharper contrasts McCain provides to Obama (as opposed to Clinton's contrast to Obama):

According to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate, CARA, 37 percent of Catholics think of themselves as Democrats, while 28 percent think of themselves as Republicans.

Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly . COVER STORY . The Catholic Vote . October 27, 2000 | PBS



Guest Editorial: Barack Obama's Catholic Problem - Catholic Online
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:02 PM
 
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This white educated Catholic will vote for Hillary if she's the Democratic nominee. Otherwise, I'll vote for McCain.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by KevK View Post
The poor Catholics. They just will not know what to do. Their choices are gonna be limited. Consider:

1. Obama. White Catholics will vote Democrat 85% of the time. Sometimes they will vote for a black candidate but only for "legislative" positions like Congressman, Senator or judge. NEVER for "executive" positions such as Mayor, Govornor or President. They just cannot bring themselves to vote for such a thing.

??
What dark corner of the universe do you pull these numbers from!?

Ridiculous!
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:10 PM
 
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I am a practicing Irish Catholic and I will vote for any democrat, but I prefer Obama because I am more comfortable with his vision of America. I could say why I do not like Hillary, but I won't because I will vote for her if Obama is not the nominee.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:24 PM
 
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I am a practicing Irish Catholic and I will vote for any democrat, but I prefer Obama because I am more comfortable with his vision of America. I could say why I do not like Hillary, but I won't because I will vote for her if Obama is not the nominee.
You don't care about his stance on abortion? All my Catholic friends would NEVER vote for him for this one reason.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:28 PM
 
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You don't care about his stance on abortion? All my Catholic friends would NEVER vote for him for this one reason.
The Church's position on voting is that we are to take the person in totallity, not a single issue. Since none of the candidates are promoting abortion, and since the only power they have over the situation right now is through the court, the rest of his views on human rights, diplomacy vs war, etc fit my Catholic values. The Pope was just here and made it clear that continuing this war, or making new wars was not a correct stance for a Catholic, so I am ok with his guidance.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:37 PM
 
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You don't care about his stance on abortion? All my Catholic friends would NEVER vote for him for this one reason.
Really? I posted a link on another thread which showed that (other than Hispanic Catholics) Catholics are actually over 50% in favor of a woman's right to choose.

Maybe I am thinking of all the under 40 Catholics I know, but I don't know anybody who actually votes against it.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:47 PM
 
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You don't care about his stance on abortion? All my Catholic friends would NEVER vote for him for this one reason.
This is funny because I hardly know any Catholics who are anti-abortion. Where do your friends live? I'm in California.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:03 AM
 
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This is funny because I hardly know any Catholics who are anti-abortion. Where do your friends live? I'm in California.
I have 4 pretty good friends that are Catholic. One lives in NJ the other 3 in Los Angeles. The one in NJ is in her 50's, the others are in their 30's. They are very anti abortion. I thought this was a major issue for Catholics. Perhaps I'm wrong.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:41 AM
 
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I have 4 pretty good friends that are Catholic. One lives in NJ the other 3 in Los Angeles. The one in NJ is in her 50's, the others are in their 30's. They are very anti abortion. I thought this was a major issue for Catholics. Perhaps I'm wrong.
Poverty is a major issue with the Catholic church. That's why they usually support the Democrats despite the fact that Democrats are usually pro-choice. Poverty, the "anti-gun" stance, those kinds of issues.

If abortion was a major issue, the Catholic church would be supporting Republicans.
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