Women Need To WISE UP- Vote Obama (Rush Limbaugh, democrat, Republican)

[carolac]

Uh, read the message before posting a knee-jerk response. Stop the anger and hating and use your head.

Originally Posted by Who?Me?!

""I won't get into the negative impact feminism has made on this country here"""


Then don't vote! It was feminists who got YOU that right!
Sorry you think women voting has had a negative effect on this country!


""Please women, if we are as superior as is claimed, use that power for uplifting instead of denegrating and mocking.""


I have never heard any woman say women are superior just equal. AND we have no more responisibility than men for being "uplifting".

[Who?Me?!]

Originally Posted by carolac

Uh, read the message before posting a knee-jerk response. Stop the anger and hating and use your head.

That's a total non-answer and accusing others of hating when there is no indication of that proves you have nothing else to say....but I'm sure you'll say it

[carolac]

Uh, what is it then? I don't exactly see messages of peace from some of the responses. How about promoting people's rights rather than just women's rights? How about promoting the unique and special gifts men have and women have rather than clinging dogmatically to women's rights. To whom much has been given, much is expected. I believe you're up to the challenge. If you do, then great--we're in agreement.

Originally Posted by Who?Me?!

That's a total non-answer and accusing others of hating when there is no indication of that proves you have nothing else to say....but I'm sure you'll say it

[Who?Me?!]

Originally Posted by carolac

Uh, what is it then? I don't exactly see messages of peace from some of the responses. How about promoting people's rights rather than just women's rights? How about promoting the unique and special gifts men have and women have rather than clinging dogmatically to women's rights. To whom much has been given, much is expected. I believe you're up to the challenge. If you do, then great--we're in agreement.

""I don't exactly see messages of peace from some of the responses. ""

If peace means rolling over then, no, I don't represent peace.


""How about promoting people's rights rather than just women's rights? ""

Because women have been the most discriminated against.



""How about promoting the unique and special gifts men have and women have rather than clinging dogmatically to women's rights. ""

Not if it means perpetuating sexist stereotypes which harm women more than men.




""To whom much has been given, much is expected."""


Yes, men have been given much but not much is expected of them although expectations should be applied equally.

[Cookiemeister]

Originally Posted by The_Fairfaxian

I'd admitted that quote as being far fetched, and do apologize due to the assumptive approach. But lately, I've just dealt with more aggressive a-type women (and people in general), and trust me when I say I can't stand the attitude-having, don't-need-companionship, death-to-men women as much as I can't stand the cocky, holier-than-thou, preppy guys. What prompted me is how a few of these feminists are so extremist for Hilary but are so angst against Obama, which could lead me to question their racial preference, but there have been no overt signs so far that has prompted me to do so.


I believe that women in general should have EQUAL rights as men, not more where they are in complete rule and take revenge out on males by being more aggressive, and not less where they are completely suppressed from doing anything and going anywhere outside of the house.


Let me set the record straight. I see extremist feminists no different than militant blacks: they both hold back progress with their narrow-minded views. I don't condone voting for Hilary because she's a woman no more than voting for Obama because he is half-black. As for Obama, I don't see him being revered by militant blacks like Sharpton and Jackson, which makes Obama MORE appealing to me! But in Hilary's case, I sense the support from male-hating feminists towards her in a fairly noticeable way. If Obama was running with a huge militant black platform and support, I would run far away from him as far as possible.

And PS: As for Asian women, I don't believe them as monolithically submissive. As for attraction, I have no more of a preference for them than any other women. I just like women who aren't aggressive or trying to one-up men in order to prove themselves equal; I already see them as that! Let women have their careers, rights, voices, and lives; but I don't want it at the expense of losing the thing that makes women charming and sweethearts: being the man's source of solace of comfort and love (as men are suppose to be for women as well).

Sorry... too late... you already expressed your true opinion and will not be able to undo what you said... nobody is listening now. You are obviously a weak male because strong/intelligent males prefers a partner of equal status. Women can be strong, intelligent and independent without losing their femininity... in fact a real man would find this type of woman sexier than the ultra fem type who just can't seem to manage without a man to help her do everything. A woman that can share half the burden so the man doesn't have to take on all the responsibility himself. You can be very strong and still be very female so don't be so afraid of the strong woman... they are a blessing.

[carolac]

Oh no. We don't have to roll over. Just because some men did not use their power responsibly and did not lead women shouldn't either? It is our rights to gain or lose. Let me give you an example. When Nancy Pelosi rose to her position, what was celebrated? The fact that she was a woman. It wasn't her gender that got her into the position, it was her skill, her solid mind, her political positions. And yet she, along with the media, chose to celebrate her gender. I understand that she was the first women in her position, but if we really want to get rid of the stereotypes, we have to behave as we believe and be the first to stop using them.

I didn't particularly care for some of the responses of the men herein, and applaud some of the women's responses, but because they're our rights (in this case, our right to vote for the candidate we feel is the best), we have to put that aside and not respond in like manner with the typical 70's/80's cliches. We've got the rights--let's stop focusing just on women's rights and promote true equal mindedness among the people. In the OP's statements, I set aside some of the comments and my first reaction of why is this gentleman trying to tell women how to vote, and tried to look at what he was really saying. I may be wrong, but I think the OP was trying to say that women's position will be eroded by voting for McCain because of how he treats his wife in public, and I can appreciate that--it's his opinion. Whether it's fair or not, it is our responsibility to use our rights/power in a wiser manner because they are ours.

Originally Posted by Who?Me?!

""I don't exactly see messages of peace from some of the responses. ""

If peace means rolling over then, no, I don't represent peace.


""How about promoting people's rights rather than just women's rights? ""

Because women have been the most discriminated against.



""How about promoting the unique and special gifts men have and women have rather than clinging dogmatically to women's rights. ""

Not if it means perpetuating sexist stereotypes which harm women more than men.




""To whom much has been given, much is expected."""


Yes, men have been given much but not much is expected of them although expectations should be applied equally.

[Who?Me?!]

Originally Posted by carolac

Oh no. We don't have to roll over. Just because some men did not use their power responsibly and did not lead women shouldn't either? It is our rights to gain or lose. Let me give you an example. When Nancy Pelosi rose to her position, what was celebrated? The fact that she was a woman. It wasn't her gender that got her into the position, it was her skill, her solid mind, her political positions. And yet she, along with the media, chose to celebrate her gender. I understand that she was the first women in her position, but if we really want to get rid of the stereotypes, we have to behave as we believe and be the first to stop using them.

I didn't particularly care for some of the responses of the men herein, and applaud some of the women's responses, but because they're our rights (in this case, our right to vote for the candidate we feel is the best), we have to put that aside and not respond in like manner with the typical 70's/80's cliches. We've got the rights--let's stop focusing just on women's rights and promote true equal mindedness among the people. In the OP's statements, I set aside some of the comments and my first reaction of why is this gentleman trying to tell women how to vote, and tried to look at what he was really saying. I may be wrong, but I think the OP was trying to say that women's position will be eroded by voting for McCain because of how he treats his wife in public, and I can appreciate that--it's his opinion. Whether it's fair or not, it is our responsibility to use our rights/power in a wiser manner because they are ours.

I fail to see why you use my post in quotes when you don't address a thing I posted????

[KevK]

You all do know that I am married to a woman don't you? And I have her figured out pretty well I think having raised 4 kids with her. And I am not telling you to vote for Obama in the PRIMARY. Vote for whomever you wish in the primary. I am just saying that once the primary is over and the last light goes out in the Denver arena after the convention that you should support the Democratic nominee even if it is not Hillary in the GENERAL election. I think some of you are not reading the OP. It is not about Hillary vs Barrack but about a certain number of women who said they'd rather vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. That is just plain stupid. You need to think hard. And like I said, the next President will almost certainly have 1 and probably 2 appointments to the Supreme Court as well as several appeals court judges. McCain has already said that Clarence Thomas would be his model for judges. The judge that disrespects women in his own life and votes against them in every case that comes up to the court. It is perfectly OK with him if you are put back in the last century.

[djf863000]

I prefer equality in the nation. meaning all races and gender treated as the same and laws that are bias because of your gender or race.

[Vanslyke]

haha... um, do half you realize that this thread just turned into a redundant debate? Its a bunch of men and women arguing and twisting what eachother are saying when in fact they are saying the SAME thing. No men here are trying to repress women, no women here are trying to repress men... Its a debate of twisting words and trying to convince the other guy they are wrong even though they share your platform...

funny how some threads on here are amazingly fun to debate on and some just turn into really... really... really dumb debates.