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Old 04-29-2008, 06:17 PM
 
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Once again, that is not McCain's pastor.
SO you holding Obama to that standard BUT NOT McCain??
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:34 PM
 
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SO you holding Obama to that standard BUT NOT McCain??

He is not McCain's pastor. McCain did not go to his church for 20 years if ever. He did not say this man was his spiritual mentor or anything else.
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:45 PM
 
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Exactly . It is the judgement of a relationship for twenty years and then defending him as like alot of older peole. maybe he is just a bitter person like so many Obama seems to talk about. Holding on to their guns and religion.
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:47 PM
 
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He is not McCain's pastor. McCain did not go to his church for 20 years if ever. He did not say this man was his spiritual mentor or anything else.
McCain actively pursued this loon Hagee's endorsement. What does that say about McCain?
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:52 PM
 
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LOL you go to church for the proximity of the place, OBAMA is NOT elitest enough to try take over a congregation !!! And every church has some angst and ego !!

Obama like all politicians dont make friends and influence people by challenging them, but now that he s challenging Washington, they fear him
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:54 PM
 
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McCain actively pursued this loon Hagee's endorsement. What does that say about McCain?

At least McCain had the backbone to denounce his comments immediately and not only when he was pushed in a corner over it.
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:56 PM
 
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At least McCain had the backbone to denounce his comments immediately and not only when he was pushed in a corner over it.
fibber !!! McCain has not done such thing !!!
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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so had Hagee and all the rightwing nutcases?? so what?

And which candidate had Hagee as his friend and pastor friend 2 decades AND campaign's spiritual mentor/advisor?

McCain is a socialist idiot too btw.
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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My pastor has said things I disagree with. He is against abortion and I support abortion rights. He opposes school vouchers and I am for them in some circumstances. But if he talked like this guy, I would say "see ya later" and make a quick exit.
That said, people do change when they get old. They often let out things that they have held in for years and- especially when they are at or near retirement and can say what they want without having to worry about any consequences. I have heard of people that unload on the company, the boss and even co-workers at retirement. This could be such a case. It is entirely possible that Obama is telling the truth.
Somebody really should every sermon this guy did for the past 20 years and put all of them in the internet so people can listen to them and see if his tone has changed in the past few years.
Agreed, no problem with people changing or disagreeing with some thoughts of another person and still claiming them as friends. I am friends with quite a few crackpots. I never tell people I never heard them say anything stupid though. I revel in the entertainment value they provide.

I have a couple of friends that are extreme representatives of both liberal and conservative thought. People who don't know them would be convinenced they are coming to blows at any second, but we have great fun poking at each others beliefs knowing that none of us will ever convince the others off their position.

But I would expect flack if I chose these guys to be my advisors in life and tried to win friends and influence people based on their viewpoints. I would expect to lose all of my credibility if I tried to persuade you that I never realized my friend of 20 years had those viewpoints, especially if that friend was anything more than a business acquaintance or some such similar relationship.

I have no issue with Obama having friends, nor even sticking to his friends when they become unpopular. I have been there and done that. I was once faced with a situation in high school where rumors were being spread to hurt the reputation of one of my friends and rather than distance myself from it to avoid being painted with the same brush I stood by her side and refuted the rumors as nonsense. I could do this because some of the rumors were that she had behaved inappropriatly with me as well, so I knew them to be untrue. She greatly appreciated it and I never regretted my actions either.

I don't think Obama should shun the reverend, but I think he made some pretty stupid political moves by publically linking himself with the reverend in a political relationship either knowing the reverend's politics or more incomprehensively not knowing a man he has held such a close relationship with for 20 years. If he is telling the truth and never knew what the reverend thinks, then he is socially very backward and politically a disaster. If he is a savvy politician that just miscalculated and is trying to clean things up the best he can, then he has to lie to do so.

Aside from the comic value of the situation, who would you prefer him to be..... The lying politician or the inept politician?
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Old 04-29-2008, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Very simple if wright is UnAmerikkan what about McCain's pastors' tirade against 9/11, Katrina, gays, jews, illegals etc
Kewl! Hillary can get them both on the pastor card.
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