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Old 04-30-2008, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Sugar Land, TX
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Affirmative action took care of the white man stealing all the jobs and many times they are overlooked for their black counterparts who may not be as qualified.
Actually, they're overlooked for white women. White women are the largest benefactors of AA, not people of color. So maybe YOU were the unqualified one.

 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas, NC
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Actually, they're overlooked for white women. White women are the largest benefactors of AA, not people of color. So maybe YOU were the unqualified one.
Not at all honey. I was recruited to leave my former company by someone I had worked with for years when he left. I got a promotion and a pay raise. I'm more than qualified and bust my butt to do my job. I don't need to sit around and complain about someone holding me back. The only one doing that is me b/c my family comes first.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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It seems like some would believe that every person who happens to be born caucasian is now a card-carrying member of "The Power". The fact is, more whites are just as oppressed by the powers-that-be than there are in the power-brokers elite class. Much more.

We should focus less on what colors separate us, and more on who among us is calling all the shots and reaping all the rewards. It isn't based on race - it's based on privilege, money, and power. Those three things are not exclusive to whites.
I could not agree more. Follow the money and you will find the power. It is about a class struggle not so much race. The middle class is slowly dissappearing. That middle class is made up of all races not only one or 2. The fight should be to save the middle class thus making room for all races to live comfortably. Corporations that have/are shipping all the decent wage jobs offshore, cutting benefits, making it harder to raise a family should be the issue attacked first.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Sugar Land, TX
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Not at all honey. I was recruited to leave my former company by someone I had worked with for years when he left. I got a promotion and a pay raise. I'm more than qualified and bust my butt to do my job. I don't need to sit around and complain about someone holding me back. The only one doing that is me b/c my family comes first.
So wait...you got your job because you were qualified, but black people get their jobs because they're black?

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I could not agree more. Follow the money and you will find the power.
And who has most of the money and the power? I'll give you a hint: it ain't people of color and it ain't women.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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So wait...you got your job because you were qualified, but black people get their jobs because they're black?



And who has most of the money and the power? I'll give you a hint: it ain't people of color and it ain't women.
And it is not, ain't if you like, middle class white people such as myself. I have and will always work for corporate America, white, black, brown, yellow, whatever. I have no advantage over you whether you believe it or not.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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While I'm no Obama fan, it's actually quite sad to see that his mentor, friend, and man who led him to Christ, has thrown him under the bus and is, in effect, running over him repeatedly. It's hard to tell what will sway people but it does make it appear that he can't handle relationships well or the pressure that having your life on display brings. Sometimes I wonder if the majority of black people want to move forward or if they relish the victim status they have b/c it gives them an excuse if they are unable or unwilling to work to change their circumstances. This doesn't look too good when you think about it in those terms.
You've got it backward. It is Obama that threw Wright under the bus. He did it in his Pennsylvania speech when he compared Wright to a crazy uncle. Imagine how Wright must have felt having his views publicly characterized as crazy. Wright must have felt betrayed by Obama, and rightly so. I certainly don't have any use for Wright's racist ravings but put yourself in Wright's shoes. The teachings he imparted were good enough to feed Obama and his family spiritually for almost 20 years. All of a sudden white people get offended by those same teachings and Obama turns on Wright. I'd be angry, too, under similar circumstances.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Exaggerate much? Come out the past long enough to look around and I think you'll see it's not as bad as you seem to think. Affirmative action took care of the white man stealing all the jobs and many times they are overlooked for their black counterparts who may not be as qualified. It happens with college scholarships too. They lower the standards and white kids with better grades get overlooked so the black kid who didn't do near as well can go to school. But that's ok with you right? As long as someone is putting the white people out to give the blacks a leg up, it's fair. I'm a woman and mother and hear comments all the time about how I can't possibly give my all to my job b/c of my home responsibilities. Instead of sitting around moaning about it, I work my a** off and leave no doubt as to whether I can do my job and do it well. The key to changing the stereotypes is to prove people wrong. Such a simple thought but something so hard for most to grasp.
Youre a liar!!!!!!!!! If this is true explain the over 50% black male unemployment rate compared to the less than 5% white male unemployment rate!












Yet another study finds that racial discrimination is alive and well in the hiring process, and it's keeping black men in metro Milwaukee on the unemployment rolls.

The study offers this fictional scenario:

A young, white, male high school graduate with a felony conviction applies in person for entry level jobs as a driver, a dishwasher, a laborer, warehouse worker and production worker that are advertised in the newspaper and admits to employers that he served 18 months in prison for possession of cocaine with intent to sell.

A young black man with similar education, work history and style of presentation, but with no criminal record, applies for the same jobs.

Who do you think is more likely to be called back?

If you picked the white man with the felony conviction, you guessed right.

This study offers evidence that discrimination remains a major factor in the economic lives of black men, and highlights the fear and misunderstanding of black males that permeate the local job market.

Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., sent equally matched pairs of testers - two black and two white - to apply for low-skilled jobs at 350 places of employment in the Milwaukee area and found that white ex-offenders were more likely to be called back for an interview than black applicants who had no criminal record.

Students test employers

In this detailed study, bright, articulate, college students posed as job applicants. Even though the results were strikingly close, black men without criminal records were called back only 14% of the time, while whites with criminal records were called back 17% of the time.

The study, titled "The Mark of a Criminal Record," was conducted in Milwaukee between June and December 2001, and the results were released last month.

"It shows there's a great deal of work that has to be done in the education of employers and working on attitudes," says Julia Taylor, president of the Greater Milwaukee Committee. "This type of racial disparity in employment practices really impacts us as a region. It impacts our work force, and it really impacts how the inner-city moves forward."

Pager chose Milwaukee for her experiment because it is representative of most large metropolitan areas in its size, racial demographics and industrial base, she says.

The study's findings would surprise few African-Americans in this city, who know from experience that this kind of discrimination exists in the job market. Research shows that white Americans, however, have been led to think that direct, racial discrimination of this nature has become less of a problem in our society.

It was even surprising to Pager, a young white woman.

"I expected that there would be an effect of race. I thought the effect of a criminal record would swamp other effects," Pager says. "That assumption was clearly wrong. It really suggests that stereotypes and assumptions about black males are very much a factor in hiring decisions."

Facing tougher odds

The study demonstrates the increased odds black male ex-offenders face in finding employment and successfully reintegrating into the economic mainstream, says Lenard Wells, chairman of the Milwaukee Parole Commission and a former Milwaukee police officer.

"It's as if there's a concerted effort to keep black men from getting employment, to keep them oppressed," says Wells, former president of the League of Martin, an organization of black Milwaukee police officers.

"We say we want to reintegrate individuals into the community. We say that we want to do something about unemployment in the black community, yet we want to pretend that it's a criminal record that prevents blacks from getting jobs. It's blatant, undisputed, racism," he says.

Combine the effects of race and a criminal record, and the problem becomes worse. For instance, only 5% of black men with criminal records received callbacks from employers, the study found.

White men without criminal records fared the best in the Milwaukee-area job market, with 34% receiving callbacks from employers.

Keep in mind that it's illegal to discriminate against applicants with criminal records unless the circumstances of the crime correspond closely to the requirements of the job, says Phoebe Weaver Williams, an associate professor of law at Marquette University who specializes in employment discrimination.

"What's frustrating is that, after so many years of having laws in place, the laws haven't corrected the problem," Weaver Williams says.

Clearly, the study's findings demonstrate that a criminal record closes doors on employment.

Still, employers are averse to taking risks on black applicants, whom they perceive to have criminal tendencies, the study says. For example, black testers were more likely to be asked by employers whether they had any convictions, yet none of the white testers were asked about their criminal histories up front.

Image problems

A couple of factors that work against young black men is their portrayal in the media as gangsters, thugs and rappers on the fringes of society, and the fact that more black men are going to prison than college, according to a report by the U.S. Justice Department.

The sad reality is that the majority of those inmates will be released back into communities where they have little opportunity to obtain legitimate work. Research shows that one of the factors for recidivism is employment.

Black felons face a hostile job market in Milwaukee, says Wendell Hruska, associate director of Project Return, a Milwaukee agency that helps felons and people convicted of misdemeanors find employment.

"Discrimination is very much a problem. That's what we've been hearing from our clients," Hruska says. "A lot of people get discouraged. Unfortunately, many of them give up. You really can't blame people when you've been out there for months putting in applications and you hear nothing back."

This research helps us measure the degree of discrimination that exists in the hiring process.

But the question remains: How do we attack a problem that so affects the economic lives of black men in Milwaukee, where many employers still make hiring decisions colored by fear and misunderstanding?
 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Not at all honey. I was recruited to leave my former company by someone I had worked with for years when he left. I got a promotion and a pay raise. I'm more than qualified and bust my butt to do my job. I don't need to sit around and complain about someone holding me back. The only one doing that is me b/c my family comes first.
Can't you girls just all get along? Sorry but I just had to say that.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Sugar Land, TX
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And it is not, ain't if you like, middle class white people such as myself.
Awww, it's so HARD being middle class and white in America! You poor baby.

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I have and will always work for corporate America, white, black, brown, yellow, whatever.
You mean white, white, white, whiter, random black person, white, white, some Asians, white, white, Latino/a, white, white, and white.

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I have no advantage over you whether you believe it or not.
First off, I am a educated (post graduate) white woman in my 60s, and I fully acknowledge the privilege I have in this world as a middle class white woman married to a white, middle class Navy veteran.

Second, you can deny privilege all you want to if you want to feel better about yourself and your accomplishments, but that doesn't make it go away. The very fact that you have a better chance at driving from your job to your house without being pulled over and harassed by the police is an advantage you have over people of color. Go ahead, deny this is true. Tell me about the time you got pulled over by a black cop, or when some Latinos called you honky that one time in a bar. You'll sound like all the other whiny little brats I used to teach in the "good" neighborhoods.
 
Old 04-30-2008, 12:53 PM
 
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And it is not, ain't if you like, middle class white people such as myself. I have and will always work for corporate America, white, black, brown, yellow, whatever. I have no advantage over you whether you believe it or not.

You DO have an advantage over blacks=youre white in a job market mostly controlled by bias,prejudiced whites who would choose you over a better qualified black in alot of cases.
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