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Old 05-06-2008, 10:56 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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We divide our criteria into "hot" and "cold" cases. Hot cases which are things like urgent cases, Cancer etc are dealt with on a fastrack system with immediate attention. Cold cases such as gall stones are treated within the guidlines. These guidlines are only as a safety net to prevent cases taking forever to be diagnosed and treated. Most cases are treated well within the guidlines.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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There is also many many other aspects of the health service. Advice centres, rehabilitation centres. District nurses who visit and deal with home bound patients, clinics for fertility advice, drug rehab centres, day centres so that parents of handicapped children can work and also give the children remedial care. Cancer backup nurses to take care of cancer victims at home the list is endless. I myself tutor long term illness sufferers over a six week period to help them come to terms with a chronic long term condition. All of this is free under the NHS. If this is a system on its knees then where is the American System?
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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We divide our criteria into "hot" and "cold" cases. Hot cases which are things like urgent cases, Cancer etc are dealt with on a fastrack system with immediate attention. Cold cases such as gall stones are treated within the guidlines. These guidlines are only as a safety net to prevent cases taking forever to be diagnosed and treated. Most cases are treated well within the guidlines.
Gallstones - "cold" case LOLOLOL

One of my staff experienced discomfort / pain. Called on a Monday for a Doctors appointment. Got in that afternoon. XRays / Lab work performed late in the day. He got a call from his physican's office the next day - the Doctor wanted to see him that day (Tuesday). Told him he had stones.

the PCP contacted a surgeon, sent him the results of the tests, checked with the hospital. My staff member was admitted that afternoon with surgery done on Wednesday about noon.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:12 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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We divide our criteria into "hot" and "cold" cases. Hot cases which are things like urgent cases, Cancer etc are dealt with on a fastrack system with immediate attention.

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The waiting times figures show that the vast majority of cardiac patients are treated within 16 weeks from referral by their GP through a Rapid Access Chest Pain Clinic to treatment.
This is the first time that waiting times figures show progress against this "whole journey" target for cardiac care, which comes into force at the end of December. Patients can now expect to have all their treatment in 16 weeks for this type of cardiac care, where a few years ago it was not uncommon to wait more than a year.
Wow, 4 months from when you were referred by your GP with a heart condition to treatment...I guess when you see it used to be over a years waiting those in the UK might feel better.

Well except fo rthose who die in the intervening 4 months between referral and treatment.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:14 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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So the NHS is not a very good example of a healthcare system we should emulate...

Perhaps we should go with the French system?

You know,the one where the majority of people have private health insurance AS WELL AS paying for the universal system...
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:15 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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WHOOP DE WHOOP! My wife had gallstones and had it diagnosed and treated within a week. Big Deal. Gallstones may be painful but are not classed as important as cancer. Maybe the cancer patient who cannot get it treated bnecause he/she isn't covered will take great comfort in your employee getting his gallstones fixed so quickly. Gallstones is not a life threatening condition unles the person cannot get it treated. Many people in America have gallstones and NO medical cover. Stop bragging about the ones who are covered and think about the ones who aren't.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:20 AM
 
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Cardiac care can be from Angina to severe heart failure. Many people who present with Angina are treated within a time scale that is not in any way a danger to their health. On the other hand there are people dying in Ambulances in America who are being redirected to other Hospitals due to full beds etc. There are people in America who NEVER recieve treatment for heart conditions . They would jump at the chance for a 16 week wait. Now tell me which is the best system. One that treats ALL of the heart patients or one that only treats the ones covered on healthcare. Maybe a severe heart attack and a trip to A&E is the only way to get treatment for many in the USA?
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:21 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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. Gallstones is not a life threatening condition unles the person cannot get it treated.
And waiting six months is..........what exactly?

I wouldn't call it treatment thats for sure.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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As has been shown,the number of uninsured who cannot afford private insurance and are not eligible for government insurance is quite low...

It isn't actually the crisis some like to whine about.

What some people seem to want is for others to pay for THEIR health issues.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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No! pay for the oil companies or pay for helping the third world or pay for Yasser Araffat to build his own personal fortune or pay for your house taxes. But NEVER NEVER pay for American citizens to get health care. That would be a sin. " My money going towards helping other Americans" How annoying for you.
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