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Old 05-03-2008, 04:16 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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Every one has the right to make their own decision on who they would vote for, but I ask that you do your research first and be fair. I am an active duty US soldier who is very disappointed in how this primary has turned out. Soldiers have fought and died for people in this country to have the right to vote. Neither McCain, Obama nor Clinton is perfect. Nor will either of them be a perfect president. But whoever is appointed will have the right to send myself and fellow soldiers to war, where we risk our lives for this country. The least that can be done in return, is when voting (the right that so many soldiers have fought and given their lives for) be done after you have fairly researched each candidate. I was pro Hillary, but "obliterating" a country is not what I want to hear from my future commander and chief. If Obama's Pastor Wright is the only thing we have against him then that is ridiculous. I myself have friends and associates I completely disagree with. That does not mean they influence me or I believe what they believe. For all those that are no doubt going to bring up the fact that Obama knew this man for 20 yrs he had to be influenced. Ask yourselves this, many of our ancestors (I am of mixed descent) were racist & even slave owners. If our great grandfathers were racist and our grandfathers were influenced by them who influenced there children who then influence their children and thus had to influence us too. Right? That's the logic that so many are using if someone as close to Obama as the reverend Wright was, was racist then he had to have influenced Obama. Well how many of us were influenced by our parents who we lived with every day for 18 or more years? I was not. If anything I tried harder to think less like them and more along what I thought was right. I love my family and I imagine a lot of people do. Me loving them does not mean that their thoughts are my thoughts. As Hillary Clinton said, "You can choose your pastor, but you don't choose you family". In that case she chose Bill Clinton who is Pro NAFTA, who made $800,000 off of it. She says she doesn't support this and they have always disagreed about it. Why does that logic not apply to Obama as well? Why is it so hard to believe that he may have been with Wright throughout the years (I am sure that Hillary spent more time with Bill than Obama spent with Reverend Wright) and not have been influenced by him? If you say he had, then wouldn't you also have to say that Hillary has been influenced by Bill or at the least by the $800,000?
barkleyq, thank you so much for your service. My hope is that we all remember that at the end of the day, it's not really whether we are pro-hillary, pro-obama, or even democrat or republican, we are all Americans, and we must find a way to put that first no matter what.
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Old 05-03-2008, 04:50 PM
 
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Every one has the right to make their own decision on who they would vote for, but I ask that you do your research first and be fair. I am an active duty US soldier who is very disappointed in how this primary has turned out. Soldiers have fought and died for people in this country to have the right to vote. Neither McCain, Obama nor Clinton is perfect. Nor will either of them be a perfect president. But whoever is appointed will have the right to send myself and fellow soldiers to war, where we risk our lives for this country. The least that can be done in return, is when voting (the right that so many soldiers have fought and given their lives for) be done after you have fairly researched each candidate. I was pro Hillary, but "obliterating" a country is not what I want to hear from my future commander and chief. If Obama's Pastor Wright is the only thing we have against him then that is ridiculous. I myself have friends and associates I completely disagree with. That does not mean they influence me or I believe what they believe. For all those that are no doubt going to bring up the fact that Obama knew this man for 20 yrs he had to be influenced. Ask yourselves this, many of our ancestors (I am of mixed descent) were racist & even slave owners. If our great grandfathers were racist and our grandfathers were influenced by them who influenced there children who then influence their children and thus had to influence us too. Right? That's the logic that so many are using if someone as close to Obama as the reverend Wright was, was racist then he had to have influenced Obama. Well how many of us were influenced by our parents who we lived with every day for 18 or more years? I was not. If anything I tried harder to think less like them and more along what I thought was right. I love my family and I imagine a lot of people do. Me loving them does not mean that their thoughts are my thoughts. As Hillary Clinton said, "You can choose your pastor, but you don't choose you family". In that case she chose Bill Clinton who is Pro NAFTA, who made $800,000 off of it. She says she doesn't support this and they have always disagreed about it. Why does that logic not apply to Obama as well? Why is it so hard to believe that he may have been with Wright throughout the years (I am sure that Hillary spent more time with Bill than Obama spent with Reverend Wright) and not have been influenced by him? If you say he had, then wouldn't you also have to say that Hillary has been influenced by Bill or at the least by the $800,000?
It's the double standard that was seen in the OH and PA primaries. Regardless of how Hillary is the wife of someone who supported NAFTA, something that cost these states their jobs and livelihoods, she still got the overwhelming votes in those states. Just proves that people up in those areas are best too proud and at worst too bigoted to vote for someone different, even if he guaranteed jobs to the people.
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Old 05-03-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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It's the double standard that was seen in the OH and PA primaries. Regardless of how Hillary is the wife of someone who supported NAFTA, something that cost these states their jobs and livelihoods, she still got the overwhelming votes in those states. Just proves that people up in those areas are best too proud and at worst too bigoted to vote for someone different, even if he guaranteed jobs to the people.
Were Independents allowed to vote?
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Old 05-03-2008, 07:56 PM
 
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Every one has the right to make their own decision on who they would vote for, but I ask that you do your research first and be fair. I am an active duty US soldier who is very disappointed in how this primary has turned out. Soldiers have fought and died for people in this country to have the right to vote. Neither McCain, Obama nor Clinton is perfect. Nor will either of them be a perfect president. But whoever is appointed will have the right to send myself and fellow soldiers to war, where we risk our lives for this country. The least that can be done in return, is when voting (the right that so many soldiers have fought and given their lives for) be done after you have fairly researched each candidate. I was pro Hillary, but "obliterating" a country is not what I want to hear from my future commander and chief. If Obama's Pastor Wright is the only thing we have against him then that is ridiculous. I myself have friends and associates I completely disagree with. That does not mean they influence me or I believe what they believe. For all those that are no doubt going to bring up the fact that Obama knew this man for 20 yrs he had to be influenced. Ask yourselves this, many of our ancestors (I am of mixed descent) were racist & even slave owners. If our great grandfathers were racist and our grandfathers were influenced by them who influenced there children who then influence their children and thus had to influence us too. Right? That's the logic that so many are using if someone as close to Obama as the reverend Wright was, was racist then he had to have influenced Obama. Well how many of us were influenced by our parents who we lived with every day for 18 or more years? I was not. If anything I tried harder to think less like them and more along what I thought was right. I love my family and I imagine a lot of people do. Me loving them does not mean that their thoughts are my thoughts. As Hillary Clinton said, "You can choose your pastor, but you don't choose you family". In that case she chose Bill Clinton who is Pro NAFTA, who made $800,000 off of it. She says she doesn't support this and they have always disagreed about it. Why does that logic not apply to Obama as well? Why is it so hard to believe that he may have been with Wright throughout the years (I am sure that Hillary spent more time with Bill than Obama spent with Reverend Wright) and not have been influenced by him? If you say he had, then wouldn't you also have to say that Hillary has been influenced by Bill or at the least by the $800,000?
What a pathetic attempt to win votes for Obama... you should be ashamed of yourself. The Obama people are stooping to emotional blackmail now... what next?!
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Old 05-03-2008, 08:24 PM
 
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You can vote for whoever you want ;that is what is fair.Personally I have my doubts that any of the three candidates can win a second term because they face alot of problems and many can't be solved quickly.I don't see any one of them getting a mandate type vote this election from the primaries. Lets face it ;this country is just as devided as it has been for the last eight years as far as the parties go.
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Old 05-04-2008, 03:10 PM
 
Location: fla
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As a combat veteran of Vietnam thank you for your service and your love of Country. It is unfortunate that you seem to be leaning toward the most Un-American of the remaing four Candidates.

The is a lot that is WRONG about Barack Obama that you should know about before deciding that his finger should be on the trigger.

First and foremost he has never served in the military and has little or no knowledge of the military. When he visited Ft. Bragg in April reporters said he appeared "startled and shocked" at the military hardware and asked questions "like an elementary school student". He doesn't have the knowledge or the capability of leading the military and making decisions that will affect millions of lives.

What attributes does he have that would serve him as commander in chief of the largest and most powerful military in the world? In all likelyhood he would be no better or worse than Bush.

Secondly did you realize that Obama was raised by a mother who associated with known Communists and considered herself a Communist sympathizer? She participated in anti-American rallies and handed out Communist and Socialist literature in Hawaii. Barack Obama's father was a Kenyan Communist who abandoned his US family and went back to Kenya to take a job in a corrupt socialist government. When Barack, Jr and his mother left Hawaii for Indonesia she told friends she was glad to be leaving the USA and democracy for a life in a Socialist county. Barack grew up hearing his mother speak hatefully about the United States. When he returned to Hawaii to live with his white grandparents she arranged for him to meet and have lessons on Marxist Communism from Poet and Communist labor activist Frank Davis. Barack refers to him in his first book as "Frank, a father figure" but does not explain that he was a Communist identified by the FBI and suspected of organizing labor and race riots in the 1950's and 1960's.

After graduating from Harvard Obama moved to Chicago where he soon joined Reverend Jerimiah Wright's church. Wright's version of Christianity called Liberation Theology is a hate filled, racist and anti-American. Barack sat there and for 20+ years did not complain, protest or walk out. He listened and took it in. He listened as Wright blasphemed and used vulgar language in front of his 2 young girls. Barack listened and did nothing! He listened as Wright blamed America and cursed the government screaming obsenities. Barack listened and did nothing! He listened as Wright simulated sexual acts and used filthy language and expressions from his pulpit. Barack Obama listened and did nothing!

Any normal person would have protested, told the preacher he was not doing his job of preaching the love of God and the salvation of Jesus Christ, and most of us would have walked out! Barack Hussein Obama did nothing! That reveals a lot about the character of Barack Obama. Even Oprah, who attended Wright's church briefly, walked out and never returned. At least she had the strength of character and good sense to realize it was wrong.
great points--how unfortunate that many people chose to ignore this---if he wins the presidency----people will be longing for bushenomics!----
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Old 05-04-2008, 03:18 PM
 
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My goodness the things I am learning today. Obama is a sleeper agent from the old Soviet Empire. Geeez if elected he will probably allow Soveriegn Wealth funds to invest in the United States. He is a dangerous man for many reasons:
Intelligent
Commie
Well Educated
Islam background
Intellectual
Goes to church
Raised by a mother

When will all of this end so we can return to years gone by when America was America and Europe was Europe and the rest of the world was under developed. I yearn for those days.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:08 PM
 
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Major Minor,

I agree 100% with you but I don't think this was the point. It was about thinking about who you vote for and apparently this person has. Regardless of why this person has chosen who they have that is their choice be it right or wrong. They have thought clearly about who they are voting for, that is the point.

We all have our reason for voting and I would hope that each vote is a mix of clearly analyzing the candidates and conscious. As long as this is what people do before casting their vote I am okay with the results and will live with the majority's decision good or bad.
I think it is time that one American citizen stops telling another American citizen that their choice is "wrong". There are going to be two main choices, and we will pick one. The people who voted for Bush were not wrong, it was their right to choose who they wanted, the people who voted for Kerry were not wrong, it was their right to choose who they wanted. Time to move off the schoolyard games of right and wrong and begin to discuss why choices are made.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:14 PM
 
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My goodness the things I am learning today. Obama is a sleeper agent from the old Soviet Empire. Geeez if elected he will probably allow Soveriegn Wealth funds to invest in the United States. He is a dangerous man for many reasons:
Intelligent
Commie
Well Educated
Islam background
Intellectual
Goes to church
Raised by a mother

When will all of this end so we can return to years gone by when America was America and Europe was Europe and the rest of the world was under developed. I yearn for those days.
I for one am glad the man has some connections to Islam because it would be great to have a President who knew more than the Cliff notes about Middle Eastern philosophies and religions. I want my President to be intelligent and well educated and although I know that Harvard is much more elitist than the Academy or Yale, I am willing to take the risk. Raised in an extended and blended family, yes, I am ok with that since he can probably relate to more than half of the kids today who were raised with multiple parents. A church going president, neither here nor there, as long as I can go worship as I see fit. The one that is really stunning, is that he had a mother!!!
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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great points--how unfortunate that many people chose to ignore this---if he wins the presidency----people will be longing for bushenomics!----

Over 70% of the country directly disagrees with this.
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