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Old 05-08-2008, 06:09 PM
 
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WOW! There are a majority of educated whites that have been sold on the Obama ticket, pray do tell where the hell have you been? (btw I am not an obama supporter I am just merely stating facts)


It is proven since the Reverend Wright spectacle, Obama's white vote has decreased. The young college white voters and the white academic ,anti war protester voters are the same voters McGovern counted on...you might want to go back and see what happened to him when he got in a general election. Obama's success in Democratic primaries (while not all that stellar actually) will not be the same in the general election when the other choice is not Hillary.
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Bush. Change. That's all.
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:53 PM
 
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Bush. Change. That's all.
Yep, what more could be said? Bush. Change. Oh, 75 percent of you agree? Good. Let's go vote for a better tomorrow.
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:39 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Your histerical. I bet you dont understand that American is even more unhappy with Congress, then they are with Bush..
I wouldn't put too much hope in that if I were you.

Though unhappiness with Congress is real, it's unlikely to help out the Republicans in any way, shape or form.

This is because the happiness comes from 2 sources:

1) Republicans and independents unhappy with Democratic control

2) Democrats and independents unhappy that the Democrats have not be able to do more.

The first group will surely try and elect more Republicans, but the second group (which is much larger and more motivated than the first) is of the opinion that the solution is to elect MORE Democrats so that they can have enough votes to actually push through legislation. Right now, their majority is too slim (especially with a Republican President) to achieve much.

That will change in November.

Ken
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:43 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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WOW! There are a majority of educated whites that have been sold on the Obama ticket, pray do tell where the hell have you been? (btw I am not an obama supporter I am just merely stating facts)


It is proven since the Reverend Wright spectacle, Obama's white vote has decreased. The young college white voters and the white academic ,anti war protester voters are the same voters McGovern counted on...you might want to go back and see what happened to him when he got in a general election.
McGovern didn't have Obama's knack at inspiring people - nor was he following what is perhaps the most unpopular administration in US history.

Every election is different. This one will be different too.

Ken
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:10 PM
 
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McGovern didn't have Obama's knack at inspiring people - nor was he following what is perhaps the most unpopular administration in US history.

Every election is different. This one will be different too.

Ken

You are kidding, right? McGovern ran at the height of the opposition of the Viet Nam War and was anti-war. He lost by a landslide depending on basically the same demographics that Obama relies on. In a general election, that just won't cut it. Look what Clinton did to him in the states that really matter.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:15 PM
 
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2) Democrats and independents unhappy that the Democrats have not be able to do more.
Unable to, or unwilling to? There is a difference.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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some of you people are just closed minded, self serving, and non caring. We have freed Iraq from a tyrannical dictator, we are keeping them safe from killers, all you seem to care about is this country of 300 million, while you forget the other 6.2 billion people on earth. Why do we need to leave the middle east when we are fighting killers, the people who destroyed the twin towers, the people who commit senseless crimes against all people, the very same people who kill the innocent. YOU DON'T CARE DO YOU??!?!?!?!?!?!
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:48 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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You are kidding, right? McGovern ran at the height of the opposition of the Viet Nam War and was anti-war. He lost by a landslide depending on basically the same demographics that Obama relies on. In a general election, that just won't cut it. Look what Clinton did to him in the states that really matter.
First of all though the war was unpopular, Nixon still had great popularity at that stage and unpopularity with the war was not directed so much at the Republicans as at the Democrats, since Democratic Presidents had started it and Congress was under Democrat control so the war was viewed as a Democratic problem more than as a Republican problem.

This time around it's very different. Though many Democrats went along with it (not Obama though) the war was started by a Republican President and a Republican controlled Congress and is largely viewed as a Republican problem rather than a Democratic problem. This translates to bad news for Republicans.

And the fact that Clinton took the "most important" states over Obama does NOT mean that McCain will take them over Obama. For most of those states it's pretty certain that EITHER Democrat will take them over ANY Republican.

The fact is, the Republicans are in DEEP trouble and the Republican leadership knows it (just ask folks like Newt Gingrich).

Lets take a look at a few things, shall we:

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Enthusiasm for their candidate:

Democrats - Two VERY popular and strong candidates. Though Republicans like to point with glee at the disruption that's caused, the fact is, the disruption is because so many Democrats (RECORD numbers actually) are so very excited about this election. There is MORE excitement in the Democratic camp than I have EVER seen.

Republicans - A candidate that NO ONE is really all that excited about. Fiscal conservatives are ticked at the party for spending like a bunch of drunken sailors and don't particularly like McCain - considering him to be too liberal. Religious conservatives are uninspired by McCain and upset that in many ways the Republicans have been doing little but paying lip service to their agenda - and the anti-immigration crowd pretty much detests McCain because of his stand on legalizing illegal immigrants. All in all, a candidate no one in the base really cares for all that much. His only hope is to attract people in the middle - but in order to do that he may have to sacrifice much of his base - or sacrifice the middle to placate the base. Not a good position to be in.

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Fundraising:

The Democrats have EACH (especially Obama) been blowing away McCain in this regard. Together, the amounts they have raised dwarfs that raised by the Republicans. The amounts they are raising have been staggering. The importance of this is not just the money itself, but what it says about the level of enthusiasm mentioned above

McCain is truly struggling in this regard (even taking into account the amount he raised in his most recent fundraiser).

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Voter Turnout:

The Democratic turnout has been ENORMOUS - with MILLIONS of new voters

The Republican turnout has been enemic at best.

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General mood of the country:

Pretty sour. The general mood is that the Republicans (especially the President) have messed up the country BIG TIME. Not a good thing for the Republicans, but great news for the Democrats.

All in all, these things add up to a potential tsunami against the Republicans in November.

That's not just MY opinion, that's the opinion of many high-level Republican insiders.

Ken

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Old 05-08-2008, 08:49 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Unable to, or unwilling to? There is a difference.
Unable.

Ken
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