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Old 05-10-2008, 08:10 AM
 
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The ignorant are so expressive!
I like how you spend so much time spewing insults indirectly. I guess you realized that doesn't pass for an argument when it comes to debating with me.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Romeoville, IL
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I'd rather be ignorant than be stuck up and snobby, something the liberal left claims to prize. However, what does 'educated' mean? Anyone can get a college education, anyone. Maybe not poor people, but the conservatives generally make more money than liberals as it is. More money is a sign of higher education typically. Just because you have a degree in art or philosophy doesn't mean you are qualified to vote. Just because you can teach history does not make you qualified to vote. Just because you got a degree in graphic design does not make you qualified to vote. Liberals usually pick these trash degrees (well, majority of the people that pick these trash degrees are liberals). Psychology, sociology, history, art, that kind of thing. So yeah, maybe too many idiots decide to major in these things, and maybe many college grads are liberals, but it is the smart and educated conservatives that usually major in finance, accounting, chemistry, mathematics, etc. They make the money in this country. The Obama campaign is largely a popularity contest that mirror's American Idol. That is the reason he is so popular. The guy plays rap and R&B before his speeches for crying out loud.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:17 AM
 
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I'd rather be ignorant than be stuck up and snobby, something the liberal left claims to prize. However, what does 'educated' mean? Anyone can get a college education, anyone. Maybe not poor people, but the conservatives generally make more money than liberals as it is. More money is a sign of higher education typically. Just because you have a degree in art or philosophy doesn't mean you are qualified to vote. Just because you can teach history does not make you qualified to vote. Just because you got a degree in graphic design does not make you qualified to vote. Liberals usually pick these trash degrees (well, majority of the people that pick these trash degrees are liberals). Psychology, sociology, history, art, that kind of thing. So yeah, maybe too many idiots decide to major in these things, and maybe many college grads are liberals, but it is the smart and educated conservatives that usually major in finance, accounting, chemistry, mathematics, etc. They make the money in this country. The Obama campaign is largely a popularity contest that mirror's American Idol. That is the reason he is so popular. The guy plays rap and R&B before his speeches for crying out loud.
I agree partially.

I wouldn't say the degrees some liberals pick are trash. A career is a career. As a matter of fact, I'm going to college for design in the summer (It's actually a double-major, but design is one of them.).

I do agree that a college education just makes you smart in whatever you studied. There are tons of people who have degrees and aren't too bright. Many of them in the public eye.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Romeoville, IL
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I agree partially.

I wouldn't say the degrees some liberals pick are trash. A career is a career. As a matter of fact, I'm going to college for design in the summer (It's actually a double-major, but design is one of them.).

I do agree that a college education just makes you smart in whatever you studied. There are tons of people who have degrees and aren't too bright. Many of them in the public eye.
Graphic design is actually a good degree, but depends on how you use it. George W. Bush was educated at one of the best schools in the country. Yet I bet many here could make the argument that he is not too bright.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I'd rather be ignorant than be stuck up and snobby, something the liberal left claims to prize. However, what does 'educated' mean? Anyone can get a college education, anyone. Maybe not poor people, but the conservatives generally make more money than liberals as it is. More money is a sign of higher education typically. Just because you have a degree in art or philosophy doesn't mean you are qualified to vote. Just because you can teach history does not make you qualified to vote. Just because you got a degree in graphic design does not make you qualified to vote. Liberals usually pick these trash degrees (well, majority of the people that pick these trash degrees are liberals). Psychology, sociology, history, art, that kind of thing. So yeah, maybe too many idiots decide to major in these things, and maybe many college grads are liberals, but it is the smart and educated conservatives that usually major in finance, accounting, chemistry, mathematics, etc. They make the money in this country. The Obama campaign is largely a popularity contest that mirror's American Idol. That is the reason he is so popular. The guy plays rap and R&B before his speeches for crying out loud.
Interesting argument. So what or rather which way do most ECONOMISTS lean?

Surely you can come up with a more compelling argument than one to denigrate the arts. History proves that many of the planets greatest thinkers were indeed artists.

An in depth study in the history of music reveals a mathematics so complex many would prefer to just listen.

BTW - you have to major and MINOR, when you go to college. (oops I made a music funny...lol)

Please provide proof to the outlandish claim that conservatives make more money than liberals, it's like saying Republicans have higher credit scores than Democrats (well maybe not because that has been proven false)
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:24 AM
 
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Graphic design is actually a good degree, but depends on how you use it. George W. Bush was educated at one of the best schools in the country. Yet I bet many here could make the argument that he is not too bright.
You can also argue that going to college doesn't make you a better presidential candidate than a high school graduate. Sometimes I wonder why there are so many people out there who would make good presidents, but won't run. I guess it's because in most elections, the best candidate is unelectable.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:30 AM
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.....this election would have been over a long time ago, and Barack Obama would be the hands-down winner.

I wonder what would happen if we passed a constitutional amendment allowing only those with a college education and higher the right to vote. Or for those who can't go to college for whatever reason, they should at least pass some kind of mental aptitude or intelligence test before being allowed to vote. Will our country be better off or worse off as a result? Would a presumably wise electorate produce a wise leader akin to Plato's philosopher-king?

I'm not necessarily advocating this.....I'm just wondering what the implications are of such a system.
If Obama is an example of what educated voters would elect, one would think that maybe the less educated voters should do the choosing.

People coming straight out of college are sometimes voting what the professors have brain-washed them into voting. About 20 years down the road, I changed parties. I saw what socialist presidents do to our democracy. Good in theory, bad in practice.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:44 AM
 
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.....this election would have been over a long time ago, and Barack Obama would be the hands-down winner.

I wonder what would happen if we passed a constitutional amendment allowing only those with a college education and higher the right to vote. Or for those who can't go to college for whatever reason, they should at least pass some kind of mental aptitude or intelligence test before being allowed to vote. Will our country be better off or worse off as a result? Would a presumably wise electorate produce a wise leader akin to Plato's philosopher-king?

I'm not necessarily advocating this.....I'm just wondering what the implications are of such a system.
It would be easier for the educated and more affluent to screw the less-educated and typically less affluent, as the latter would have no representation.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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.....this election would have been over a long time ago, and Barack Obama would be the hands-down winner.

I wonder what would happen if we passed a constitutional amendment allowing only those with a college education and higher the right to vote. Or for those who can't go to college for whatever reason, they should at least pass some kind of mental aptitude or intelligence test before being allowed to vote. Will our country be better off or worse off as a result? Would a presumably wise electorate produce a wise leader akin to Plato's philosopher-king?

I'm not necessarily advocating this.....I'm just wondering what the implications are of such a system.



Why don't you just take folks out and shoot them, and then all the "educated folks" could take over,
the problem might be then however, that the "educated folks" would come up
with another reason why some in that group were inferior and would want to do away with them.
This was tried in Germany a few years ago, ask the Jews if this is a good idea.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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It would be easier for the educated and more affluent to screw the less-educated and typically less affluent, as the latter would have no representation.

And who, may I ask, typically are called to represent "the less-educated and typically less affluent". I'd venture to say the more affluent, more educated, most empathetic populace.
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