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Old 05-17-2008, 11:07 AM
 
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I don't see any one really changing anyhting from the last two elections. Obama and hillary represent the same old liberal wing of the democratic party. mccain represents a slightly more moderate wing of the republican party.I thnik Obam ais making the same mistake saying he will meet unconditionally with Hamas and otehr terrorist groups and sponsors as he did withpicking Rev Wright as his pastor. No toher western leader would even think of doing this or any past president.
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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Why, Betsey Lane! Are you Sara Orne Jewett's friend?
Sara Orne Jewett's who?
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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I don't see any one really changing anyhting from the last two elections. Obama and hillary represent the same old liberal wing of the democratic party. mccain represents a slightly more moderate wing of the republican party.I thnik Obam ais making the same mistake saying he will meet unconditionally with Hamas and otehr terrorist groups and sponsors as he did withpicking Rev Wright as his pastor. No toher western leader would even think of doing this or any past president.
And what Does Mc Cain represent? The same GOP right wing Nazi reactionary corporate give a ways of the last 30 years?
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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Please, I need clarity. If you are 310% democratic and Senator H. Clinton is supposedly "out" of the race and you have a color "issue", who do you vote for now? Mcain because he's white? Wouldn't that be going against the grain? Or do you not vote at all? Please, democratics with color issues need only reply!
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:54 AM
 
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Sara Orne Jewett's who?
Okay, never mind - I thought you might have named yourself after a character in a story by a writer named Sarah Orne Jewett.

Sarah Orne Jewett : The Flight of Betsey Lane

Sorry!
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:57 AM
 
Location: NC
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As a scholar of middle eastern history and current events and whom also speaks Lebanese, Egyptian, Jordanian, and Palestinian dialects of Arabic, I find I am most interested in the United States' interest in foreign policy in the middle east as the misunderstandings governing our imperialism therein has had such a poor effect back in our home country. From the overextending of the military to the transform of the greatest surplus in American history to the largest deficit in American history, to the lack of health insurance for citizens, to the threats of another war in Tehran -- I desire a president with a cabinet who understands foreign policy in the middle east.

The only place I will disagree with you is McCain, whom is self-proclaimed war-minded, has gone above and beyond the Bush 3rd term on foreign policy -- his notions of terrorism are just as McCarthy as Bush's and his cabinets. The only place I am hopeful for McCain is that he may be sucking up the CR just in hopes of this nomination and that he's not actually this dense. But alas, I didn't think Bush would be this dreadful either.

That being said, Hillary isn't the answer for me either. She has poor foreign policy ideals regarding the middle east, voting that the Iranian and Pakistanian governments were terrorist organizations. She would just as soon have us in Tehran, forgetting that it was Churchill and Eisenhower who originally removed Iran's democratic, isolationist president, Mohammed Mossadegh and put in power one of the more brutal dictator's in modern middle eastern history. [I don't think I need to explain why]

The only two candidates who have any sort of knowledge of, and ability to mold a different type of middle eastern FP is: Ron Paul and Barack Obama. Though they are much different socially, these are the only two candidates I'd intend on voting for. It has to be Obama for me, who seems to simply GET IT.

Talks in Tehran is just what the Iranian government has been begging for since 1953. Before anyone condemns talks and economic balances for Tehran, maybe one would be best studying British economic dominance over Iran since 1890 and as well, Eisenhower's assistance in the coup of Mossadegh in 1953. Anything else would simply be a horrific mis-judgement on your part, or simply a habit of listening to far too much Limbaugh and/or O'Reilly.

I don't see any candidate being the self-proclaimed savior -- it's more a problem with the country than the individual -- but the lesser of the evils for me, is Obama, who was certainly the most impressive of all the candidates in live speaches -- but again, most importantly, has the sense of history and idealism that I seek in my foreign policy. [Sorry for the lengthy response, feel free to PM me if you have any questions]
As a scholar of United States History and current events who also speaks German, French, Spanish and a little Creole Cajun I find myself interested in overall foreign policy, not just one corner of the world.

True enough there have been mistakes made in our relations with the Arab world and, at least for the forseeable future, the present situation will remain with little change. The United States is committed to guaranteeing the soverignty of our ally Israel. That is firm and will not change even if the socialist Obama is elected. Congress and the people of this country will stand behind Israel even if the socialist Obama tries to grant concessions to the Palestinians.

If the moderate McCain is elected perhaps he will not be as willing to have dialog with some of the members of the Arab world as the socialist Obama.

Obama seems willing to sit down and bargain but he is very inexperienced in foreign relations and does not understand diplomatic protocol. His lack of experience and knowlewdge might produce blunders which could jeapordize realtions and be insulting to those attending such a meeting. Like a school boy he is too eager to please and does not weigh the possiblilites.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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Okay, never mind - I thought you might have named yourself after a character in a story by a writer named Sarah Orne Jewett.

Sarah Orne Jewett : The Flight of Betsey Lane

Sorry!
NO, but I read the story via the link you sent, nice thanks.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Bonney Lake WA
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I personally don't DO Zebras! Obama reminds me of The Antichrist & I don't want to know it of him!!!!
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Old 05-17-2008, 02:37 PM
 
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I personally don't DO Zebras! Obama reminds me of The Antichrist & I don't want to know it of him!!!!
You dont do zebras?
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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I personally don't DO Zebras! Obama reminds me of The Antichrist & I don't want to know it of him!!!!
Oy! The extremes on this thread are amazing .. I'm talking to you too skytrekker.

For McCain, it's going to hinge on who he picks for VP. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Obama is going to pick Richardson ... ooooo, the racists are gonna come crawling out of the woodwork for that ticket!
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