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Old 05-23-2008, 09:26 AM
 
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Folks, let's remember that this not an election. All that's happening at this point is a political party is choosing its nominee.

Legally, you can choose a nominee in any way you wish--the dnc could hold a massive rock-paper-scissors challenge to decide the issue if they so chose.

You wrecked it! I was having so much fun in the alternate reality! I was waiting to see if someone finally saw the difference between a primary and the election laws. Obviously, if there is a set of superdelegates in place that can decide any tie any way they want, and if the pledge delegates can actually decide to change allegiance to a candidate, what would make anyone think, that the vote count would hold sway? Absolutely no one is being elected to an office here and political parties are private groups who put up candidates in a public election. Most states fund the ballots per the wishes of the parties. Some states had their Dem and Republican primaries on different days. The Libertarians just put up a slate, no voting at all that I can see?
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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You wrecked it! I was having so much fun in the alternate reality! I was waiting to see if someone finally saw the difference between a primary and the election laws. Obviously, if there is a set of superdelegates in place that can decide any tie any way they want, and if the pledge delegates can actually decide to change allegiance to a candidate, what would make anyone think, that the vote count would hold sway? Absolutely no one is being elected to an office here and political parties are private groups who put up candidates in a public election. Most states fund the ballots per the wishes of the parties. Some states had their Dem and Republican primaries on different days. The Libertarians just put up a slate, no voting at all that I can see?
The concept of reality is difficult for many to see.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: US
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Yes, many do understand that this is a primary and not "the" election. If we can't even manage ourselves in our own "house" without imploding though, how in the world are we going to manage the White House.

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You wrecked it! I was having so much fun in the alternate reality! I was waiting to see if someone finally saw the difference between a primary and the election laws. Obviously, if there is a set of superdelegates in place that can decide any tie any way they want, and if the pledge delegates can actually decide to change allegiance to a candidate, what would make anyone think, that the vote count would hold sway? Absolutely no one is being elected to an office here and political parties are private groups who put up candidates in a public election. Most states fund the ballots per the wishes of the parties. Some states had their Dem and Republican primaries on different days. The Libertarians just put up a slate, no voting at all that I can see?
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:50 PM
 
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Folks, let's remember that this not an election. All that's happening at this point is a political party is choosing its nominee.

Legally, you can choose a nominee in any way you wish--the dnc could hold a massive rock-paper-scissors challenge to decide the issue if they so chose.
Sorry wrong again. This is an election, this is protected under the constitution. Your trying to weenie yourself out of this one because you know what is going to happen.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Home is where the heart is
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Sorry wrong again. This is an election, this is protected under the constitution. Your trying to weenie yourself out of this one because you know what is going to happen.
Un huh.

Let me guess, you also go around saying "the grass is not green! It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not!"
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Old 05-23-2008, 04:57 PM
 
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Sorry wrong again. This is an election, this is protected under the constitution. Your trying to weenie yourself out of this one because you know what is going to happen.
The libertarian party just put Bob Barr on the NC ticket. He had the requisite number of signatures. The Party puts up the candidate, not the state.
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Old 05-23-2008, 07:03 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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She will be held responsible, though, because she's the one who was forcing the issue. I don't mean legally responsible--I mean it will permanently tick off some important people.

If she claims she didn't want it to happen, she loses her argument that she's a leader who accomplishes her goals. And... if she claims she couldn't control the actions of people in Florida that makes her look weak.

If she claims she did want it to happen, she angers a good percentage of the dnc. The remaining superdelegates aren't the type to be impressed or intimidated by lawsuits--but IMO they could get annoyed.

If she claims she didn't know about it, she loses her argument that she's a capable person who's on top of things. And she reminds voters too much of the worst moments in Bill's presidency.

She may claim she knew about it, but thought it was the "right" of the individuals to file a suit if they wish. Safe argument, but makes her look wombly and hurts her chances of landing a plumb spot after the election. Turns voters off, and she'll lose the GE even if she does somehow force the nomination.

No two ways around it--I'd expect such a suit to be dismissed, but if it happens it's bad for her best interests.
Are you auditioning for CNN? The important thing is that it is good for the voters and democracy. Every vote should be counted and then they should count.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:59 PM
 
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If you can read the consitution, read it.

If you can read the bill of rights, read it.

You are protected by law to make sure you vote counts even under a primary. Do you think the lawsuit would have even been filed if it wasnt, by one the largest law firms in the state of Florida?

I am sorry, you are grasping for a way out and its not working.

If it wasnt an election then you wouldnt have to register with the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to vote would you?

Carry on? Hillary wont Florida and is now going to get what she deserves, all the delegates and all the votes. Move over Obama, Hillary just passed you on both votes and delegates.
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Home is where the heart is
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Are you auditioning for CNN?
Hmmm, I'm not all that far from Atlanta. Maybe I should try for a job there.
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:46 PM
 
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If the Billary show takes this Florida/Michigan thing too far, it will decimate the Democratic Party and hand the election over to the Republicans. You can also then expect the Reps to pick up additional House and Senate seats.

As I've said before, Billary are not interested in ANYONE but themselves; the nation be damned.
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