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Old 05-27-2008, 01:19 PM
 
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That's the real point;they know they can't win from primaies because he has loss his momentum.In the end he can do little to force clinton out of the campign before the convention. She has clear presidence in Obama's supporter teddy kennedy to go to the convention.Besides she has won a strong voice to influenece the party's platform.If Obama wants her to dropout ;then he needs to say it and explain why.
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Old 05-27-2008, 01:27 PM
 
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That lie has been thoroughly debunked.


Let me go through the numbers without making your head spin.
After Kentucky and Oregon, Obama has an official popular vote lead of 449,486.
This does not include Iowa (where Obama first broke from the pack), Nevada (where Hillary won the popular vote narrowly), Maine (where Obama won easily) or Washington state (another strong Obama state). Why? Because these caucus states don't officially report their popular votes. But if we're going to truly count all the votes, official and nonofficial, as Hillary advocates, you can't very well not include caucus states.
Adding in the unofficial tally from caucus states, as estimated by realclearpolitics.com based on official caucus turnout and the number of local delegates selected at the precinct level, that gives Obama a lead of 559,708.
Now we come to Florida and Michigan, whose popular votes Hillary says should be counted. The argument for counting them is no better than for counting the caucus states (and maybe worse, considering that these states violated party rules by moving their primaries up on the calendar, and no one campaigned there). But for the sake of argument let's count 'em. That gives Hillary a lead of 63,373.
HILLARY WINS POPULAR VOTE!
Not so fast. If the Democratic National Committee completes its expected settlement on May 31, Florida and Michigan will each get half of their votes counted. Translated to popular votes, that would subtract about 325,000 votes from Hillary, putting Obama back into the lead.

Beyond not being official numbers, there's another problem with counting Michigan in these totals. Obama wasn't on the ballot there. You can say this was his own choice, but that doesn't change the fact that had he been on the Michigan ballot he would have received a lot of popular votes. How many?
Try 238,168. That's the number of Michiganders who voted for "uncommitted." Were they possibly genuinely abstaining? Maybe a few hundred of them at most. The rest were clearly Obama supporters who launched a grass-roots campaign. Everyone in Michigan knew on January 15 that a vote for "uncommitted" was a vote for Obama.
That means that by a generous definition of popular votes (and remember, Clinton wants to enfranchise as many people as possible in her count), Obama leads by about 166,000 votes.

The Problem With Clinton’s Popular Vote Math | Newsweek Voices - Jonathan Alter | Newsweek.com
I support Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton has the popular vote, and tend to do better in primaries than caucuses ( many have their opinions on why that is, I wont go into that discussion )

Woot Hillary
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Downtown Greensboro, NC
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I support Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton has the popular vote, and tend to do better in primaries than caucuses ( many have their opinions on why that is, I wont go into that discussion )

Woot Hillary

we can talk about who has what til the cows come home. Bottom line Obama will be the nominee
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:41 PM
 
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Bad luck to count your chickens.
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Home is where the heart is
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Bad luck to count your chickens.
Yes, let's not repeat the same mistake Hillary made.
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I support Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton has the popular vote, and tend to do better in primaries than caucuses ( many have their opinions on why that is, I wont go into that discussion )

Woot Hillary

Knock yourself out.
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:38 PM
 
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If you believe Obama will win and has won move on and begin to wage the McCain/Obama battle. If you need to get a dig in or two against Clinton go for it. But don't argue about who is winning because if you believe Obama has won, enjoy the victory but why argue? Clinton supporters obviously want to keep hope alive and will be happy to engage you and reflect that hope. If you think the super bowl is over and your team won then have a beer and celebrate. If you think the game is in the closing minutes and their isn't enough time left for a comeback then spike the proverbial ball and get your beer cold and be ready to offer your friend rooting for the losing team one.
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