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Old 05-30-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I do try to stay in reality, and REALISTICALLY, they are NOT in the running. The race for the WH is between McCain and Obama. Anyone who cannot deduce that, well...
Bob Barr has quite a little movement going on and could influence the winner if it is a close race.
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I agree. At least try to stay slightly informed on who is running.
Basically, two criteria would be key.

If you can't find middle east countries on a map, you can't vote (displaces the "nuke 'em all" rednecks)

If you can't understand true free market economics like bond yields and federal deficits, you can't vote (takes the "gimmie gimmie" crowd out of the picture)

Basically, you have to marginalize ignorant extremists from both sides. Requiring a minimal amount of educational background is a good way to start. There's no prejudice because knowledge is essentially free with all of the public libraries and the wealth of knowledge the internet offers.
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:44 AM
 
Location: At my computador
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The questions: Will this book, and maybe other tattletale revelations to follow, build and maintain serious negative momentum against the Republicans that will last through November? Will they inspire enough public outrage to spark indictments?
I still haven't heard anything new... Even the fact that McClellan is a bitter person was known before.

If anything, the book will help McCain, because it puts him back in front as a rebel who was calling Bush out.


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I agree. At least try to stay slightly informed on who is running.
Your time would be better spent getting involved in your local races than worrying about who the no-chancers for president are.


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Basically, two criteria would be key.

If you can't find middle east countries on a map, you can't vote (displaces the "nuke 'em all" rednecks)

If you can't understand true free market economics like bond yields and federal deficits, you can't vote (takes the "gimmie gimmie" crowd out of the picture)

Basically, you have to marginalize ignorant extremists from both sides. Requiring a minimal amount of educational background is a good way to start. There's no prejudice because knowledge is essentially free with all of the public libraries and the wealth of knowledge the internet offers.
WHAAAAT!?! WHAAAT?!? That would induce teaching to the test! We can't have that!
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:46 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Your time would be better spent getting involved in your local races than worrying about who the no-chancers for president are.
I read up on and vote in ALL of my local elections. I stay informed on ANY issue I will vote on, because I feel it's important to know all of the options.
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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If anything, the book will help McCain, because it puts him back in front as a rebel who was calling Bush out.



But then he'd have to change his current stance back to the old one....ah decision, decisions....
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Bob Barr, Ron Paul and Senator Clinton....the 2008 siphons are all in place. Who new the Old Perot/Nader effect could be...oops, and Nader.
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Bob Barr, Ron Paul and Senator Clinton....the 2008 siphons are all in place. Who new the Old Perot/Nader effect could be...oops, and Nader.
You can't steal votes you've earned.

Isn't McCain siphoning votes from Ron Paul?
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: At my computador
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I read up on and vote in ALL of my local elections. I stay informed on ANY issue I will vote on, because I feel it's important to know all of the options.
That's fair. I believe that the time spent researching candidates who aren't viable is a waste when compared to volunteering for a local campaign. An hour of reading could be calling neighbors, etc.

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But then he'd have to change his current stance back to the old one....ah decision, decisions....
Like what? That tax reductions require spending reductions?... Wait... no, he never veered from that. How about that the invasion of Iraq was shady and was poorly run?... No... he's always said that. Ooh! Ooh! I know... Katrina was a big screw-up!... Ouch! Wait, he always said that.

Hmm... there must be something...
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Help is on the Way via LA Times
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Basically, two criteria would be key.

If you can't find middle east countries on a map, you can't vote (displaces the "nuke 'em all" rednecks)

If you can't understand true free market economics like bond yields and federal deficits, you can't vote (takes the "gimmie gimmie" crowd out of the picture)

Basically, you have to marginalize ignorant extremists from both sides. Requiring a minimal amount of educational background is a good way to start. There's no prejudice because knowledge is essentially free with all of the public libraries and the wealth of knowledge the internet offers.
It is funny that you posted this. I was just talking with an old friend of mine in CA this morning about this very same subject. If you take both extremes out of th picture those are the people I would feel most comfortable voting for President.

Unfortunately I think that would eliminate 70% of the eligible voters in our country and 90% of the politicians.
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