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You all are not true Democrats. Why would you switch allegiance from two candidates who are extremely similar on issues to someone who would be an extension of G.W Bush?
Yes, we already know thats the only thing the Democrats have to use against McCain.. If you keep repeating it enough times, then people might think its true.
As soon as Obama gets the necessary number of delegates, I will be heading to the local GOP headquarters to sign up to volunteer for McCain. I figure, why waste a moment of being on the right side of the GE?! I think we should make ourselves heard, since the DNC has been pooh-poohing the numbers of people who say they won't support Obama.
HELLO!!!!! Do you even KNOW what a president DOES?! Let me explain it to you. The president maneuvers policy through the government; tries to bring about consensus and avoid gridlock; identifies the priorities of the Administration and works with Congress to bring them about; represents and communicates the interests of the United States to the world. The president reads the political pulse and knows what's doable and what isn't. The president asserts his or her agenda over the many, many competing interests represented in Washington and must have the energy and backbone to chart the course.
What a candidate promises to do quickly becomes wishful thinking when reality strikes. That's why I don't believe their campaign promises and I vote on whom I believe will be the best gatekeeper, negotiator, and politcker-in-chief.
Obama does not have the experience, backbone or sense to do these things. He gets "frustrated" when things don't move quickly. The Republicans in Congress would mop the floor with him.
Yes, I do understand what a President's job is, thank you. You would like to vote for someone that you feel can get things done.
My question is "Does it matter which things the President gets done?"
Our two candidates have 2 totally different priorities, one wants to focus on "winning" an unwinable war, one wants to focus on affordable healthcare for everyone, one wants to focus on continuing tax cuts for the most wealthy, one wants to focus on reforming our current trade agreement so that it will be more beneficial to American companies.
So if you go into the Presidency with different priorities, naturally the results will be reflective of that. Your posts seem to indicate that just getting things done is the most important thing, I am questioning that logic.
I've been a democrat all of my adult life. I'm a senior citizen. My first vote was cast for John F. Kennedy. Over the years I've donated money to democratic candidates from the courthouse to the White House. I've worked in campaign headquarters, called countless thousands of voters, helped in mass mailings and attended rallies all over this state and beyond. I've attended 10 state Democratic conventions as a delegate and one national Democratic convention as a delegate.
Don't say I'm not a good Democrat. I am!
But I am also a moderate politically. Regardless of my being a Democrat I still have that wonderful freedom to vote my convictions, my beliefs.
I cannot, with a clear conscience vote for Barack Obama because he is far far and away too leftist-socialist for me. I personally feel that is the wrong path for the future of my country.
I've said before--and debated with some of you--I'm for choice BUT I am not for "baby murder' once a fetus emerges from the womb and becomes a living baby. Barack Obama voted against a ban that would have stopped this horrible practice.
In voting for John McCain I will be voting for a moderate who will not raise our taxes to fund his liberal agenda. I have lived longer than many of you and I have seen the economic misery caused by liberal presidents. Those of you who are thinking the economic situation is bad now should have been around during the Carter years. People were being laid off right and left, stock market in the toilet, businesses closing, lines to buy gas, people going on welfare . . it was truely economic misery.
Despite what some of you are saying Hillary and Obama are not that close on the issue. Her record is definitely more centerist than Obama. By all standards Obama's US Senate voting record is far and away the most liberal of all members of the senate. More leftist than Ted Kennedy and far more to the left than Hillary Clinton!
Obama's friendships with radicals, terrorists and known Socialists and Communists is very disturbing to me. Many of his supporters and campaign staff belong to radical socialist groups that support things ranging from Palestinian rule of Israel to Government ownership of all business.
For these reasons and others, this freedom loving Democrat will be exercizing his freedom of choice by voting against the radical leftist Barack Obama!
That was well-said and absolutely consistent. Rep point coming.
Yes, I do understand what a President's job is, thank you. You would like to vote for someone that you feel can get things done.
My question is "Does it matter which things the President gets done?"
Our two candidates have 2 totally different priorities, one wants to focus on "winning" an unwinable war, one wants to focus on affordable healthcare for everyone, one wants to focus on continuing tax cuts for the most wealthy, one wants to focus on reforming our current trade agreement so that it will be more beneficial to American companies.
So if you go into the Presidency with different priorities, naturally the results will be reflective of that. Your posts seem to indicate that just getting things done is the most important thing, I am questioning that logic.
Again, you're fixated on campaign promises. If you want to believe those, go for it but some of us have more sense.
As far as I'm concerned, McCain has been the only honest one about the war and what is doable concerning taxes. (Oh, and don't even bring up that false 100 years thing -- they have twisted and spun it beyond reality.) Your friend Stickman has proposed a whole bunch of new programs and entitlements for a country that's deeply in debt. If you believe every campaign promise you're fed, then you apparently support and want all of these programs.
The ONLY campaign promise I could support is an overhaul of healthcare but certainly not the "optional" participation Stickman advocates. That wouldn't change things in the long run and it would be useless. Still, I don't believe he OR Hillary could effect sweeping reform in health care, unfortunately, but McCain's health care tax credit WOULD be doable.
It's all about being realistic and not mindlessly chanting slogans.
Good for you, 100%Michigan for choosing to vote for the candidate you think will do the best job. You clearly support Hillary and I bet when November comes you're going to write her in. I applaud your loyalty.
Well, well, well. This thread has certainly grown with nasty Obamaphiles!
And you know why your rants are like toilet tissue to me (and likely others)? Because you try to frame people the way YOU want to frame them and avoid reality altogether. You bring up the stupid abortion argument when I have repeatedly said I'm pro life; you call me a "bad Democrat" when I have clearly said I've been an Independent since the Kerry fiasco; you call me a hypocrite on "issues" when I have stated time and time again that I don't believe the campaign promises of ANY of the candidates and I am voting for the person I believe is most competent and politically savvy to get at least some things done. Obama likes the rallies and chants but, when that's all done, he would be lost. And we see from his choice of radical friends that his advisors would be fringe characters who don't have the capacity to work on behalf of ALL Americans.
In short, y'all have NO CREDIBILITY and the mob mentality is off-putting. But, carry on, even though this thread wasn't directed toward y'all. The more vitriolic and off-base your "arguments" are, the more certain you make me that I would NEVER want to be associated with Obama or his thuggish "movement."
Please feel free to vote for Mccain. Then if he wins, you'll have years to reflect on the women's rights his Supreme Court nominees will rescind.
Please feel free to vote for Mccain. Then if he wins, you'll have years to reflect on the women's rights his Supreme Court nominees will rescind.
Oh, what "women's rights" would that be? A right to have an abortion? That's what y'all call "women's rights," isn't it, since we're unconcerned about anything besides our ovaries. Well, THIS woman believes that women have the right to be responsible in their decisions regarding sexuality and, in doing so, I've never needed to consider having an abortion.
How sad -- in this age of foolproof birth control -- that women would be looking to the Supreme Court for their "rights. Even sadder is the fact that MEN use this issue to try to "scare" and coerce women. Gee, could it have something to do with men WANTING women to be merrily sexually active always but not expecting men to take any responsibility with birth control or child-rearing if a pregnancy results?!
THIS woman also believes that "women's rights" are actually issues that affect families. You know, like keeping our children safe, giving them opportunities and the ability to stand on their own two feet without undue government interference or making them slaves to government programs, and not presenting them and their children with a national debt.
yes, I am mad as hell and I am not going to jump through your Obama
hoops.
I am just getting started!!
so get out of my way!
I suspect that some of the rabid "Hillary supporters" posting on this forum are frustrated Republicans, posing as Democrats.
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I think we should make ourselves heard, since the DNC has been pooh-poohing the numbers of people who say they won't support Obama.
Well, THIS woman believes that women have the right to be responsible in their decisions regarding sexuality and, in doing so, I've never needed to consider having an abortion.
