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Old 06-10-2008, 08:56 PM
 
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In your opinion, if you feel the above were detrimental to the respective candidates, which do you think was more detrimental?
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Old 06-10-2008, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Clearly Obama/Wright. And it is not done by a longshot.

McCain had no relationship with Hagee, had never been to his church or heard one of his sermons.

Big difference with Obama - 20 year relationship, friend, mentor, spritual advisor, married him, baptized children, listened for 20 years to his lovely sermons.
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Old 06-10-2008, 09:33 PM
 
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IMHO, even if you take Hagee out of the picture McCain is still a more frightening [right wing] religious zealot which to me is more important than a 3rd party who is not running for Pres. He IS the de facto fundamental Christian religious bigot characterized by his overtures with regard to the state (US) and religon (Christianity) that which takes our country back about 50 years in terms of how introverted we must appear to the globe when we even entertain the idea of someone like him becoming our next president.

Example:

He claims that the Constitution of the United States establishes the country as a “Christian nation”

I'd say watch the below video for more insight, but his staff is working overtime to compensate for him talking too much.... so it's been removed.


"My favorite part is where McBush falsely claims the Founding Fathers chose "In God We Trust" as the national motto.

The traditional national motto (circa 1780s) is actually "E Pluribus Unum" (out of many, one). "In God We Trust" wasn't adopted as the national motto until the 1950s (in the midst of the Cold War's Red Scare), to distinguish us from those "godless Commies," around the same time they added "Under God" to the U.S. flag pledge."



YouTube - McCain: America Established as a Christian Nation

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Last fall, John McCain said that he wanted a Christian to be president because he felt that the Christian faith was a better guide than other faiths. He also said that his faith was an important part of his qualification to lead, adding the the United States Constitution established the America as a Christian nation.

Leave aside for the moment whether John McCain's religious bigotry is acceptable in modern America.

Instead, ask yourself what the media would have done if Jeremiah Wright had uttered those words, especially if he had been talking about race instead of religion?

What if Barack Obama himself had said them?

Yet when John McCain spews religious bigotry during the middle of a presidential campaign, the media barely paid his comments any attention whatsoever.

And then a few months later, when the conservative propaganda outlet FOX News plays old archive footage of Barack Obama's pastor (not Barack Obama himself) delivering a hateful sermon, all the sudden it's the biggest issue in politics.

That, my friends, is bias. There is a double standard -- and Barack Obama is not the beneficiary.

Now, to be fair to John McCain, subsequent to the interview, said that he would vote for a non-Christian if he felt that a non-Christian was in all respects the best candidate. But has not Barack Obama explained in no uncertain terms that he rejects what Jeremiah Wright said?

And unlike John McCain, Barack Obama repudiated all aspects of Wright's bigotry. McCain merely clarified the obvious: that his religious bigotry was just one element of his decision-making process.

Apparently, according to the media, you can partially reject your own words -- but if you completely reject someone else's, there must be a bigger, deeper story.

Does it make any sense to you? Me neither.


Futher reading:
McCain: Constitution Establishes America as “Christian Nation!” Levellers

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Old 06-11-2008, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Clearly Obama/Wright. And it is not done by a longshot.

McCain had no relationship with Hagee, had never been to his church or heard one of his sermons.

Big difference with Obama - 20 year relationship, friend, mentor, spritual advisor, married him, baptized children, listened for 20 years to his lovely sermons.
I agree, even as an Obama supporter, I will say that his ties to Wright have rubbed more than a few people the wrong way and will probably come back more than twice in the next few months.
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Old 06-11-2008, 10:21 AM
 
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Writing as an Obama supporter, it is clear that these two relationships are totally different. The McCain/Hagee relationship is totally irrelevant and cannot be compared in any way to the Obama/Wright connection.
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Old 06-11-2008, 10:22 AM
 
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The Hagee thing is over. John McCain goes to an Episcopalian church somewhere.
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