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Old 07-13-2008, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Yes but if that poll showed Obama leading 60-40, you'd have every single Obama supporter here claiming that the poll is valid and a fair respresentation of the americna public.
No you wouldn't, generally speaking Obama supporters aren't ignorant enough to claim an online poll is representative of the electorate. I'm actually surprised that on a political forum you have people citing an online poll as if it actually means something. Online polls, whether they come from a conservative or liberal site, mean absolutely nothing..nil.
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Why should it be concerning? The poll, currently, has McCain leading in all 50 states by a total of 28%. He leads by double digits in NY, Ca, and by 20% in Illinois, Obama's home state. The poll is obviously a joke and is representative of nothing. To say it's not "100%" accurate is an understatement.

BTW, Ron Paul won almost every AOL poll for about 4 months straight, you see where he is now. Online polls mean nothing.
Yes this one is a joke, but other polls show such as Rasmussen & Real Clear show McCain closing the gap at time when I thought Obama would have widen the gap.
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:13 AM
 
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No you wouldn't, generally speaking Obama supporters aren't ignorant enough to claim an online poll is representative of the electorate. I'm actually surprised that on a political forum you have people citing an online poll as if it actually means something. Online polls, whether they come from a conservative or liberal site, mean absolutely nothing..nil.
Actually I think we would based upon the fact that we see people posting national poll results here as if they are meaningful. The only poll results that mean anything is a state by state poll, of all 50 states, and then looking at the electorial votes in each of those states to assign a point value to them. At this point, no poll is worthy of noting because the poll takers do not take this into account.

For your argument to be true, we wouldnt see one poll result posted here unless it was a state by state poll and no poll taker is doing this yet.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Actually I think we would based upon the fact that we see people posting national poll results here as if they are meaningful. The only poll results that mean anything is a state by state poll, of all 50 states, and then looking at the electorial votes in each of those states to assign a point value to them. At this point, no poll is worthy of noting because the poll takers do not take this into account.

For your argument to be true, we wouldnt see one poll result posted here unless it was a state by state poll and no poll taker is doing this yet.

Here's some state by state polling.

Zogby International (http://www.zogby.com/50state/ - broken link)

Electoral-vote.com: President, Senate, House Updated Daily
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:37 AM
 
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Here's some state by state polling.

Zogby International (http://www.zogby.com/50state/ - broken link)

Electoral-vote.com: President, Senate, House Updated Daily
Now those could look fairly accurate provided those taking the polls, polled the same democratic/republican percentage as elected in each state. They probably didnt, because they rarely do, but they get close enough to matter for all intense purposes.
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:10 AM
 
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Default Maybe Consevative or Maybe Americas smarter than we give her credit for.

Democrats- Hillary voters, do not forget who won the popular vote. -Same thing kinda happened to Gore a few years back. Yes she supports Obama.. why? Would you want to be fingered for the cause that the Dems did not get the White House? Lets face it the last President was just as unproven as Obama, Obama being worse. Just Obama is one of the BEST SMOOTH TALKERS ever, He'd make better money selling used cars! People Really do this country a favor and study the canidates this election year and whatch out for signs of changing views just for votes. The value of our lives is at stake, we realize that now more than ever... Experience Matters! -lifelong Democrat voting purple this year
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Democrats- Hillary voters, do not forget who won the popular vote. -Same thing kinda happened to Gore a few years back. Yes she supports Obama.. why? Would you want to be fingered for the cause that the Dems did not get the White House? Lets face it the last President was just as unproven as Obama, Obama being worse. Just Obama is one of the BEST SMOOTH TALKERS ever, He'd make better money selling used cars! People Really do this country a favor and study the canidates this election year and whatch out for signs of changing views just for votes. The value of our lives is at stake, we realize that now more than ever... Experience Matters! -lifelong Democrat voting purple this year
Nice first post here, unearthing a long-dead thread with a lame rant.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:33 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Talking AOL straw poll

It's an AOL poll.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/2008-...n-winning.html

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Old 07-23-2008, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Y-Town Area
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Considering these poor dumbfounded folk are still using AOL, echoes the
mentallity of the McCain backers.
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:58 AM
 
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Regardless of the "slant" of the poll, or the number of times someone ponies up repeated votes, the AOL straw poll has been accurate since before Bush-Gore, and further it has been correct in the battleground states, especially Ohio and Florida.

If you have some concern about bias or slant, you should truly be alarmed at the media bias towards Obama. It won't help him: it didn't help Gore or Kerry, and ultimately it will abet the lazy that don't go to the polls on election day, and it will encourage the diligent. Democrats are not diligent - if they were, the Cleveland DNC wouldn't be trading packs of cigarettes for votes every election cycle.
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