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Originally Posted by paperhouse
IMO, true conservatism just means freedom. Freedom to spend your sound money as you see fit. Freedom to do what you want with other consenting adults without government interference. Freedom to live your life in the pursuit of happiness without the government telling you what to do. The only stipulations are that you endanger no one or their personal property while doing it.
Interesting point, about what you want to do with other consenting adults. If that is the case, then way are conservatives, generally speaking, so against issues, like gay marriage (consenting adults), prostitution (consenting adults) and abortion (an womans private decision)?
IMO, true conservatism just means freedom. Freedom to spend your sound money as you see fit. Freedom to do what you want with other consenting adults without government interference. Freedom to live your life in the pursuit of happiness without the government telling you what to do. The only stipulations are that you endanger no one or their personal property while doing it.
yup, that's pretty much the definition of a libertarian.
Liberalism in any form is the death of America and the root of almost any problem. You give me a problem and it's probably related to liberalism.
Bush is not a conservative and I would say the closest president to a conservative was Reagan but he wasnt conservative enough on some issues. Of course I can't blame him for everything he did have a democrat congress.
Here is what traditial conservatives think.
Barry Goldwater
Thomas Jefferson
Ron Paul
Liberalism in any form is the death of America and the root of almost any problem. You give me a problem and it's probably related to liberalism.
Bush is not a conservative and I would say the closest president to a conservative was Reagan but he wasnt conservative enough on some issues. Of course I can't blame him for everything he did have a democrat congress.
Here is what traditial conservatives think.
Barry Goldwater
Thomas Jefferson
Ron Paul
Well, the pendulum swings as it does because a conservative social policy tends to punish the poor and a liberal policy tends to punish the rich, both in the name of expanding the middle class. On behalf of liberals, I know it's a hoary old cliche and a bit hostile around the edges but you might want to refresh your mind as to why "liberals" have had to come into being, over and over throughout history, in the first place:
Anyone that wants to know why the neoconservative movement, just like the liberal movement that spawned them, failed, download and watch the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares. You won't find conspiracy theories, just interviews of the neocons and their actions starting in the 1950s. These people are not conservatives. They are neoconservatives. That neo prefix makes a huge difference in what they believe.
And if you want to know about Conservatism (without the neo), read The Conscience of a Conservative by Barry Goldwater (ghostwriter: L Brent Bozell Jr). You won't find many similarities in the two groups.
Liberalism in any form is the death of America and the root of almost any problem. You give me a problem and it's probably related to liberalism.
Bush is not a conservative and I would say the closest president to a conservative was Reagan but he wasnt conservative enough on some issues. Of course I can't blame him for everything he did have a democrat congress.
Here is what traditial conservatives think.
Barry Goldwater
Thomas Jefferson
Ron Paul
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll
Liberalism in any form is the death of America and the root of almost any problem. You give me a problem and it's probably related to liberalism.
Bush is not a conservative and I would say the closest president to a conservative was Reagan but he wasnt conservative enough on some issues. Of course I can't blame him for everything he did have a democrat congress.
Here is what traditial conservatives think.
Barry Goldwater
Thomas Jefferson
Ron Paul
Define problem?
Liberal thoughts have caused Equal Pay for men and women (or closed the gap), ended segergation, unemployment insurance, social security for the elderly......
These are problems?
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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there hasn't been a conservative in the white house in almost 100 years. also, do you mean that a conservative might be one of the 100,000,000 americans who own stock? that's 33%, not the top 1%.
Exxon or oil company stock. Not stock in general, I think you knew that and just tried to be a wise ass.
Interesting point, about what you want to do with other consenting adults. If that is the case, then way are conservatives, generally speaking, so against issues, like gay marriage (consenting adults), prostitution (consenting adults) and abortion (an womans private decision)?
They were the driving force that got Reagan elected: The Religious right. They co-opted the Republican party with the help and solicitation of the neoconservatives. The issue the neocons have with America is that our freedoms and liberties are what makes it impossible to govern ourselves. They don't think that people can be truly free. They need and want control.
If you want to know more, I sincerely suggest you watch the power of nightmares. It explains things in ways I don't have time for.
Or do some research on Leo Strauss. He is, after all, the founder of the neoconservative movement.
FYI: The radical Islamic threat began at the same time the neocons did w9ith the same goals, more government control over people through religious ideology. The Power of Nightmares is the story of how the two intertwined and got us where we are today. It really will show you the difference between what you think is a conservative and what is a neoconservative. You won't hear about Barry Goldwater or Robert Taft. You'll hear a lot of names like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Reagan, Bush, Bush Sr, etc.
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