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Old 06-30-2008, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Default Average salaries for women in Obama's Senate office is lower than that of the men

Obama's for Equal Pay, Yet Pays Female Staffers Less Than Males -- 06/30/2008 (broken link)

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On average, women working in Obama's Senate office were paid at least $6,000 below the average man working for the Illinois senator. That's according to data calculated from the Report of the Secretary of the Senate, which covered the six-month period ending Sept. 30, 2007. Of the five people in Obama's Senate office who were paid $100,000 or more on an annual basis, only one -- Obama's administrative manager -- was a woman.

The average pay for the 33 men on Obama's staff (who earned more than $23,000, the lowest annual salary paid for non-intern employees) was $59,207. The average pay for the 31 women on Obama's staff who earned more than $23,000 per year was $48,729.91. (The average pay for all 36 male employees on Obama's staff was $55,962; and the average pay for all 31 female employees was $48,729. The report indicated that Obama had only one paid intern during the period, who was a male.)
Change we can believe in. Wasn't he just stumping last week about equal pay for women?
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:42 AM
 
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Shame, shame, shame.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:43 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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They don't give details on the types of jobs the men and women are doing.

Are they all doing the exact same job and there is a pay discrepancy? That would be the only way to determine gender discrimination.

Are the education and experience levels of each staffer the same?
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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They don't give details on the types of jobs the men and women are doing.

Are they all doing the exact same job and there is a pay discrepancy? That would be the only way to determine gender discrimination.

Are the education and experience levels of each staffer the same?
Oh, now you want details? Obama's never been big on the specifics, but here, you want them? Come on. Just admit he's not perfect and the change he claims to represent should start in his own office at least.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:49 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Oh, now you want details? Obama's never been big on the specifics, but here, you want them? Come on. Just admit he's not perfect and the change he claims to represent should start in his own office at least.
Of course you need the details to be able to accurately claim there is pay discrimination, since they are using averages. You can only determine that, if the staffers are all working the exact same job, and a woman is being paid less than a man for that same job.

If you have 20 women working as secretaries, and then 20 men working as analysts, the men are going to have a higher average pay rate. Which is why you would need to know who is working what jobs to determine is there is actually pay inequality happening.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:51 AM
 
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Hilarious! NOW the republicans care about equal pay !?!?!?

They never seemed to care before saying discrimination either didn't exist , or women weren't worth it , or didn't work much or , or, or.....NOW they're all upset by PERCEIVED discrimination....??
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:53 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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equal pay for equal jobs.

Unless you compare the same job, male vs. female, you cannot determine if there is gender discrimination coming into play, as referenced in the article linked, discussing a woman who was a supervisor and paid $6,500 less then the lowest ranking male supervisor.

You cannot compare apples to oranges to get the result you want to see.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Papillion
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McCain employs more women and their average is higher than males. Let actions speak.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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McCain employs more women and their average is higher than males. Let actions speak.
You cannot twist statistics to prove a point.

The point is moot, unless every single male and female is working the exact same job, and the females are being paid less.

You cannot compare the salary of a file clerk, to the salary of a manager.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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Wow....we've now come to dig up stuff like this? Interesting, what's next here? Most of Obama's female staff members are not single mothers.
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