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07-04-2008, 06:24 PM
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Interesting Concern About Obama's Real Political Positions
As Obama assiduously obliterates all differences with McCain on national security and social issues, he remains rightly confident that Bush fatigue, the lousy economy and his own charisma will carry him to the White House.
Of course, once he gets there he will have to figure out what he really believes. The conventional liberal/populist stuff he campaigned on during the primaries? Or the reversals he is so artfully offering up now?
I have no idea. Do you? Does he?
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07-04-2008, 06:34 PM
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NO IDEA! NO, NO, NO. NO accomplishments either!!
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07-04-2008, 06:39 PM
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1/20/09 Destruction of US - Proceeding as planned
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His flip-flops are glorious fodder for McCain and independent ads. He will not be able to get away with such outrageous flips.
He need to be careful - he could anger his core lefties by proving to them what a sham he's been all along.
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07-04-2008, 06:43 PM
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Do some research about his management style and you will see it is consistant with his superior campaign organization. He brings in a diverse team of thinkers to hash out and find consensus. I would be more worried about McCain getting his administration together before July 2010. Look at the turnover he had last summer and even now with a head start is still having trouble getting his organization grounded. I guess that leadership style is ok for some of you but many of us prefer the efficiency of the Obama style. I say all of this because the OP is the Obama political position and I keep saying you need to look at the people he is currently using to develop consensus and conclude he must be doing something right.
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07-04-2008, 06:44 PM
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I call it adaptability and is what I want in our president. I think over the last 7 1/2 years we have felt the impact of a lack of willingness to change as evidenced by our stay the course strategy in Iraq until the surge. Rumsfeld represented a lack of adaptability and Gates the needed willingness to adjust to current conditions. I don't want four more years of rigid ideology that says the market will solve the problem even as it crashes.
If your financial advisor calls you next week and says you need to adjust your current financial plans to reflect the market today, do you accuse him of flip flopping because he told you something else in January? Does the Quarterback accuse the offensive coordinator of flip flopping when he changes the game plan at half time?
The nature of intelligence and the surviabilty of the species is dependent on adapation and not a rigid adherence to what I said before doctrine.
In closing we have had 7 1/2 years of a presidential administration that followed ideology and not the wishes of the American people. Don't you think that now is the time for a president who adjusts and modifys his position to reflect the population and what it is feeling and thinking? A president who puts his ideology aside to strategize with a diverse team of advisors to meet the needs of the citizenry and not some sort of base? You may not but I believe millions like me do.
I will keep using this as my standard response to discussions about flip flopping for either candidate.
How ever I do reserve the right to modify it as circumstances might change as that would be consistant with adapability.
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07-04-2008, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TuborgP
I call it adaptability and is what I want in our president. I think over the last 7 1/2 years we have felt the impact of a lack of willingness to change as evidenced by our stay the course strategy in Iraq until the surge. Rumsfeld represented a lack of adaptability and Gates the needed willingness to adjust to current conditions. I don't want four more years of rigid ideology that says the market will solve the problem even as it crashes.
If your financial advisor calls you next week and says you need to adjust your current financial plans to reflect the market today, do you accuse him of flip flopping because he told you something else in January? Does the Quarterback accuse the offensive coordinator of flip flopping when he changes the game plan at half time?
The nature of intelligence and the surviabilty of the species is dependent on adapation and not a rigid adherence to what I said before doctrine.
In closing we have had 7 1/2 years of a presidential administration that followed ideology and not the wishes of the American people. Don't you think that now is the time for a president who adjusts and modifys his position to reflect the population and what it is feeling and thinking? A president who puts his ideology aside to strategize with a diverse team of advisors to meet the needs of the citizenry and not some sort of base? You may not but I believe millions like me do.
I will keep using this as my standard response to discussions about flip flopping for either candidate.
How ever I do reserve the right to modify it as circumstances might change as that would be consistant with adapability.
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LOL. Not unlike the adaptability which has caused that change of heart in Obama regarding Iraq -- in the absence of a visit there or any other indication that he was considering such a change. Perhaps he has simply intuited the wisdom of the much-maligned Mr. Bush?
One is tempted to wonder when Mr. Obama will perceive the efficacy of drilling in ANWR and supporting an Israeli strike on Iran...
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07-04-2008, 06:53 PM
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1/20/09 Destruction of US - Proceeding as planned
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LOL. Not unlike the adaptability which has caused that change of heart in Obama regarding Iraq -- in the absence of a visit there or any other indication that he was considering such a change. Perhaps he has simply intuited the wisdom of the much-maligned Mr. Bush?
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Obama and the dems were HOPING it wouldn't be a success. Then he could stick to his strategy of immediate withdrawal.
With the success in Iraq apparent to everybody now, how foolish did he look (and the public realized this as well) trying to stick to his story of failure, defeat and surrender?
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07-04-2008, 06:57 PM
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Seems like the Republicans are starting to put together commercials showing Obama stating multiple positions on the same issue. Kind of a "self debate".
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07-04-2008, 06:59 PM
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1/20/09 Destruction of US - Proceeding as planned
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Yes, they should be interesting. I heard the first ad comes out tomorrow.
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07-04-2008, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TuborgP
Do some research about his management style and you will see it is consistant with his superior campaign organization. He brings in a diverse team of thinkers to hash out and find consensus. I would be more worried about McCain getting his administration together before July 2010. Look at the turnover he had last summer and even now with a head start is still having trouble getting his organization grounded. I guess that leadership style is ok for some of you but many of us prefer the efficiency of the Obama style. I say all of this because the OP is the Obama political position and I keep saying you need to look at the people he is currently using to develop consensus and conclude he must be doing something right.
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You can have all the organization in the world, it does not help if you make wrong decisions. Recent years are full of examples in both business and politics from both Democrats, Republicans, CEOs.
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