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Old 07-21-2008, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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franki thanks for the correction..but i think i read somewhere the ceo was german? but if not thanks anyway
The company was also founded by a German. It would not surprise me if the CEO was German as well.
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:37 PM
 
Location: saint louis but soon moving
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yeledaf..before you get defensive..i never said NO republican deserves your support i just think that when you don't hold them responcible for your support then you get screwed over which gets us all screwed over..if you elect someone and they do NOTHING in you interest then is it wrong to not vote for them again??
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:40 PM
 
Location: saint louis but soon moving
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rggr that a misinfo thing when the republicans say they don't like big gov. they mean for you the working stiff..no welfare or healthcare or education ..but no bid contract and speculations driving up oil markets are ok
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:40 PM
 
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I am a republican,,,
Not because abortion, gays or immagration.(I am a liberal republican)
guns right is important.. but still not the reason...
I am a pure capitalist... I think a small government is the best way to go...
Again universal health care... Against most thing of the democratic party(in the fiscal part).
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:41 PM
 
Location: PA
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Once Democrats and Republicans stood these ideas. Only the Libertarian and Republican party of the OLD right is the only ones close enough to be called defenders of freedom. George Bush and most of the Republican Congress and Democrats do not believe in these ideas. They believe in Big Government, support of the religious right, never ending socialism, the welfare state, none of which are true to the constitution and our nations design.


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"A wise and frugal government... shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."

"When all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another"

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none"

"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. " - Federal Reserve System

"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If `Thou shalt not covet' and `Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free. "

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. "

"A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader."

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. "

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories"

"He who is permitted by law to have no property of his own, can with difficulty conceive that property is founded in anything but force. "

"I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground that 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, not longer susceptible of any definition"

"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power. "

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. "

"If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, then government is limited and good."

"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms"

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press."


"An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation. "


"The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale. "

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure"

"The truth is that the want of common education with us is not from our poverty, but from the want of an orderly system. More money is now paid for the education of a part than would be paid for that of the whole if systematically arranged"

"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. "

"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. "

"Would it not be better to simplify the system of taxation rather than to spread it over such a variety of subjects and pass through so many new hands"
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:41 PM
 
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I am a republican,,,
Not because abortion, gays or immagration.(I am a liberal republican)
guns right is important.. but still not the reason...
I am a pure capitalist... I think a small government is the best way to go...
Again universal health care... Against most thing of the democratic party(in the fiscal part).
people need to hear this more, one can be liberal and be a republican and vice versa
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:41 PM
 
Location: saint louis but soon moving
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new to ca ..you have definatly drank the kool-aid lol you don't even know my views on economy and policy
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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poogie i have to ask what criteria is voting rep the less of to evils(except the dukakis vote which i can't defend lol)
I vote for which candidate serves more for what political views I stand for. None stack up totally to my views so I weigh them. So far I have voted Republican.
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:45 PM
 
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rggr that a misinfo thing when the republicans say they don't like big gov. they mean for you the working stiff..no welfare or healthcare or education ..but no bid contract and speculations driving up oil markets are ok
No bid contracts can be a necessity at times. There are flaws, but do you realize how long a bid and contract takes to get through the bureaucracy of the government? It's to avoid big government that you get the no bid contracts. Speculators are not really relevant to this discussion, but I will say I would be happy to not have so much of a tax on gas prices and don't think the big government idea of windfall profits tax or increased tax is going to help much.
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:45 PM
 
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people need to hear this more, one can be liberal and be a republican and vice versa
Thanks,,
PS.. typo,, against UHC and not again....
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