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Old 07-30-2008, 06:06 AM
 
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The Star Bulletin, a Hawaii newspaper, reporting on Obama's speech at a convention of minority journalists in Chicago, quoted him as saying that the U.S. has to accompany words about its "tragic past" with actions including reparations. The audience gave him an enthusiastic reception, including a standing ovation. That is the kind of speech he feels comfortable giving before a friendly (should we say 'adoring') audience. He did the same kind of thing during the primaries when he addressed well-heeled liberals in San Francisco and put down working class Americans as ignorant bigots. I don't expect him to trot out his support for reparations for the general electorate.
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Old 07-30-2008, 06:31 AM
 
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Barack Obama did not endorse reparations

Oh Jim Me,
I wondered why you did not provide a link, I found out why. Below is the entire quote.

Barack Obama did not endorse reparations [Karl]



The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, reporting on Barack Obama’s speech plus Q&A session with cheering minority journalists, lifted the following quote from the candidate:

“I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it’s Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds.”

A HotAir headline asked whether this was an endorsement of reparations. A look at the full transcript shows that it was not. After Obama made the above-quoted comment, this exchange followed:

SUZANNE MALVEAUX: When it comes to reparations, would you take it a step further, in terms of apologizing for slavery or offering reparations to various groups?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: You know, I have said in the past, and I’ll repeat again, that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed. And I think that strategies that invest in lifting people out of the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, but that have brought applicability and allow us to build coalitions to actually get these things done, that, I think, is the best strategy.
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Old 07-30-2008, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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I've found that whenever people don't provide a link, it's best to laugh at them, and then laugh some more when they whine about you not taking them seriously.
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Old 07-30-2008, 06:50 AM
 
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Barack Obama did not endorse reparations

Oh Jim Me,
I wondered why you did not provide a link, I found out why. Below is the entire quote.

Barack Obama did not endorse reparations [Karl]



The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, reporting on Barack Obama’s speech plus Q&A session with cheering minority journalists, lifted the following quote from the candidate:

“I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it’s Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds.”

A HotAir headline asked whether this was an endorsement of reparations. A look at the full transcript shows that it was not. After Obama made the above-quoted comment, this exchange followed:

SUZANNE MALVEAUX: When it comes to reparations, would you take it a step further, in terms of apologizing for slavery or offering reparations to various groups?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: You know, I have said in the past, and I’ll repeat again, that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed. And I think that strategies that invest in lifting people out of the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, but that have brought applicability and allow us to build coalitions to actually get these things done, that, I think, is the best strategy.
Well, this is typical Obama, isn't it? He says whatever the audience wants to hear or what is politically expedient. His Chicago audience clearly had no problem with his endorsement of reparations. But then when asked about it he backtracked. Notice, however, he did not disavow reparations. He said the "best reparations" are all these social programs (as if hundreds of billions of dollars spent since Johnson's Great Society and War on Poverty weren't enough). But what about second best reparations, like lump sum payments of the kind paid out to the Japanese interned by FDR during WWII? He left that door open.
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Old 07-30-2008, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Well, this is typical Obama, isn't it? He says whatever the audience wants to hear or what is politically expedient. His Chicago audience clearly had no problem with his endorsement of reparations. But then when asked about it he backtracked. Notice, however, he did not disavow reparations.
I don't know about BACKTRACKING. Looked more like a clarification to me.
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He said the "best reparations" are all these social programs (as if hundreds of billions of dollars spent since Johnson's Great Society and War on Poverty weren't enough). But what about second best reparations, like lump sum payments of the kind paid out to the Japanese interned by FDR during WWII? He left that door open.
Semantics
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:00 AM
 
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Originally Posted by LJS8510 View Post
Barack Obama did not endorse reparations

Oh Jim Me,
I wondered why you did not provide a link, I found out why. Below is the entire quote.

Barack Obama did not endorse reparations [Karl]



The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, reporting on Barack Obama’s speech plus Q&A session with cheering minority journalists, lifted the following quote from the candidate:

“I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it’s Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds.”

A HotAir headline asked whether this was an endorsement of reparations. A look at the full transcript shows that it was not. After Obama made the above-quoted comment, this exchange followed:

SUZANNE MALVEAUX: When it comes to reparations, would you take it a step further, in terms of apologizing for slavery or offering reparations to various groups?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: You know, I have said in the past, and I’ll repeat again, that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed. And I think that strategies that invest in lifting people out of the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, but that have brought applicability and allow us to build coalitions to actually get these things done, that, I think, is the best strategy.

In typical Obama fashion, he side-stepped the question and gave a vague, open ended answer. Obama never answers in absolutes and this is the porblem people have with him. Slime, snake-oil salesman, liar, spin....all words one thinks of when Obama is mentioned.
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Well, this is typical Obama, isn't it? He says whatever the audience wants to hear or what is politically expedient. His Chicago audience clearly had no problem with his endorsement of reparations. But then when asked about it he backtracked. Notice, however, he did not disavow reparations. He said the "best reparations" are all these social programs (as if hundreds of billions of dollars spent since Johnson's Great Society and War on Poverty weren't enough). But what about second best reparations, like lump sum payments of the kind paid out to the Japanese interned by FDR during WWII? He left that door open.
Oh Jim Me
how does this back up hat you said?
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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In typical Obama fashion, he side-stepped the question and gave a vague, open ended answer.
Fair enough,
But he certainly DID NOT SAY what JIM ME accused him of saying.
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:14 AM
 
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Since this thread is based on a fallacy I move that it be closed. Plenty of legitimate issues to bash Obama on.
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:16 AM
 
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Since this thread is based on a fallacy I move that it be closed. Plenty of legitimate issues to bash Obama on.
Good idea
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