Obama's tire-gauge solution no joke (legal, compare, election, elect)

[2Adam29]

Originally Posted by fopt65

Obama's plan is flawed in that currently we don't have the technology to make the solar/wind energy as efficient and reliable as needed to make it such a significant part of our energy system.

Until that time comes, we will need to use oil, coal, nuclear and whatever else we can to supplement the alternative energy forms.

well, I simply have my own opinion, that when he's putting people to work building these windmills and solar panels, R&D are a part of the equation. I think starting down Obama's road would put us on the right track if nothing else, whereas McCain's plan has the potential to bring us back to this arguement someday.

[LNTT_Vacationer]

Originally Posted by Soccersupporter

I agree, all those people falling for his explanation about his stupid comment equivocating tire pressure to finding new oil reserves are pretty ignorant. So what is the main steam media's excuse?

Arrogance -- they believe they are the only ones bright enough to understand how tire pressure effects gas mileage. Now if you combine arrogance with a cult like mentality, it brings into focus most of Barry's followers here.

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by LNTT_Vacationer

Arrogance -- they believe they are the only ones bright enough to understand how tire pressure effects gas mileage. Now if you combine arrogance with a cult like mentality, it brings into focus most of Barry's followers here.

They understand the concept of demand destruction and how the ultimate solution is dependent on reducing demand and not just increasing supply. Go back to your Samuelson university econ 101 textbook and review the section on supply/demand and the relationship of to price. Increased supply and decreased demand in tandem work best to reduce cost. It is basic academics.

Amazon.com: Economics: The Original 1948 Edition: Paul A. Samuelson: Books

[NSHL10]

So then why won't the Dems let the market work as you so eloquently describe here? How would a windfall tax enter into this equation? What would its effect be on prices?

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by fopt65

So then why won't the Dems let the market work as you so eloquently describe here? How would a windfall tax enter into this equation? What would its effect be on prices?

I agree with you on the windfall profit and have posted such in the forum.

However on the topic of demand destruction:
Banking On Demand Destruction - Forbes.com

"How can you make good news out of bad news? The answer is demand destruction. With regard to record prices for a barrel of crude and a gallon of gas, demand destruction refers to drivers not driving, planes not flying, trucks not trucking and the hit to disposable income from the pain being suffered by consumers everywhere".

Sustained high prices from a economic perpective might be very helpful in the long run. However no politician is going to say that. The only way for this to work long term is to reduce world wide demand in the long term to allow increased production to catch up and exceed demand long term. Every little bit helps and counts. It is like health care insurance, for that to work we need individuals to live healthier life styles to reduce demand for services. Proper tire inflation is something individuals can do to help share in reducing demand long term. It is only logical and I find the negative reaction both comical and sad.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by Art123

"It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."


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"And if everybody in America inflated their tires to the proper level we would actually PROBABLY save more oil than JM drilling right below his feet there"

He still has it stuck in his head that everyone in America is ignorant and doesn't already do this.....he is assuming our total oil consumption would be reduced by 3-4%.....well that sounds nice and all but that 3-4% is gas mileage savings for one person....if one assumes everyone in America is stupid and doesn't already do this the maximum we could save by doing this is 3-4% of gas we use.

This is why I say lawyers wouldn't make good mechanics...if only half of the people in America aren't ignorant and already do this to their tires...then the max we could save would be 1.5-2%.....if more thna half do it already then there is virtually no savings.

That's why lawyers should let the experts speak about things like mechanics and he should just stick with law.


Yet he claims republicans are ignorant....what he is really saying that all Americans are ignorant with his assumptions.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by fopt65

Obama's plan is flawed in that currently we don't have the technology to make the solar/wind energy as efficient and reliable as needed to make it such a significant part of our energy system.

Until that time comes, we will need to use oil, coal, nuclear and whatever else we can to supplement the alternative energy forms.

He doesn't even support some of those....So he already crippled his energy plan right from the get go.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

I agree with you on the windfall profit and have posted such in the forum.

However on the topic of demand destruction:
Banking On Demand Destruction - Forbes.com

"How can you make good news out of bad news? The answer is demand destruction. With regard to record prices for a barrel of crude and a gallon of gas, demand destruction refers to drivers not driving, planes not flying, trucks not trucking and the hit to disposable income from the pain being suffered by consumers everywhere".

Sustained high prices from a economic perpective might be very helpful in the long run. However no politician is going to say that. The only way for this to work long term is to reduce world wide demand in the long term to allow increased production to catch up and exceed demand long term. Every little bit helps and counts. It is like health care insurance, for that to work we need individuals to live healthier life styles to reduce demand for services. Proper tire inflation is something individuals can do to help share in reducing demand long term. It is only logical and I find the negative reaction both comical and sad.

You know what even more people over look because it's under the hood and inside a box with screws holding it together....the air filter...it would make more of a difference than any tires pressure changes. as much as 3 times a difference over properly inflated tires.

I am not saying don't properly inflate your tires....but to choose one of the worst ways to save on energy for vehicles users shows he isn't really in touch with how the average American can actually save money....tire pressure won't do it...complete tune ups would have been more useful of a statement...anything other than tire pressures then claiming it will save as much as if we drill for more oil...


His assumptions are the American public is to ignorant to already be doing these items...and that if all Americans did it we could save 3-4%....lawyers should stick to law...or be more general in their answers for something like "what can I do to save money?" he opened himself up on that one.

[ryneone]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/***/maintain.shtml (broken link)

"You can improve your gas mileage by around 3.3 percent by keeping your tires inflated to the proper pressure. Under-inflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent for every 1 psi drop in pressure of all four tires. Properly inflated tires are safer and last longer"

This is from the current Republican Department of Energy recommendations. If you disagree with it then argue with your DOE. If you read the link they have another of maintenance tips for saving fuel.

However I guess this could be more Rove led misinformation.

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Keep Your Engine Properly Tuned
Fixing a car that is noticeably out of tune or has failed an emissions test can improve its gas mileage by an average of 4 percent, though results vary based on the kind of repair and how well it is done.

Fixing a serious maintenance problem, such as a faulty oxygen sensor, can improve your mileage by as much as 40 percent.

Fuel Economy Benefit: 4%
Equivalent Gasoline Savings: $0.16/gallon

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Check & Replace Air Filters Regularly

Replacing a clogged air filter can improve your car's gas mileage by as much as 10 percent. Your car's air filter keeps impurities from damaging the inside of your engine. Not only will replacing a dirty air filter save gas, it will protect your engine.
Fuel Economy Benefit: up to 10%
Equivalent Gasoline Savings: up to $0.40/gallon

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Use the Recommended Grade of Motor Oil

You can improve your gas mileage by 1-2 percent by using the manufacturer's recommended grade of motor oil. For example, using 10W-30 motor oil in an engine designed to use 5W-30 can lower your gas mileage by 1-2 percent. Using 5W-30 in an engine designed for 5W-20 can lower your gas mileage by 1-1.5 percent. Also, look for motor oil that says "Energy Conserving" on the API performance symbol to be sure it contains friction-reducing additives.

Fuel Economy Benefit:

Fuel Economy Benefit: 1-2%
Equivalent Gasoline Savings: $0.04-$0.08/gallon

This is all cute but this is not what Obama he said.

He said we can save as much oil as we can get from more drilling which is just not true. You keep posting this help information!

[ryneone]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

"And if everybody in America inflated their tires to the proper level we would actually PROBABLY save more oil than JM drilling right below his feet there"

He still has it stuck in his head that everyone in America is ignorant and doesn't already do this.....he is assuming our total oil consumption would be reduced by 3-4%.....well that sounds nice and all but that 3-4% is gas mileage savings for one person....if one assumes everyone in America is stupid and doesn't already do this the maximum we could save by doing this is 3-4% of gas we use.

This is why I saw lawyers wouldn't make good mechanics...if only half of the people in America aren't ignorant and already do this to their tires...then the max we could save would be 1.5-2%.....if more thna half do it already then there is virtually no savings.

That's why lawyers should let the experts speak about things like mechanics and he should just stick with law.


Yet he claims republicans are ignorant....what he is really saying that all Americans are ignorant with his assumptions.

It has been said over and over buddy his minions do not care. They will find truth in every word and sentence he says even it means playing dumb or changing a few words around. Or the best they tell us what HE meant!