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Old 08-07-2008, 01:47 AM
 
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I'm not so sure about that, I'm part of that conservative base and so are my friends. Right now it's about 3/4 Obama and 1/4 McCain in my circle.
It seems to me that these folks can't reliably call themselves conservatives anymore. There had to be some kind of metamorphosis to move from conservative thought and conviction to an all out acceptance of left wing ideals. Pro Life? Not anymore. A socialistic view and tax through the roof idealism. Republicans gone astray? I don't believe it. It's not rational.
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:11 AM
 
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My bs meter went off when I first read that, too. I seriously doubt any group of people - of which 3/4 are obama supporters - would refer to themselves as conservative in any way, besides perhaps in their personal finances. Sounds like a lil bit of fibbing to make a point.

Registered dems will be voting McCain in droves come November, and they have been plenty vocal about it. So, of course, The One's groupies want to make it look like it's going both ways.



"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The majority of McCain supporters just aren't loudmouth, look-at-me types like obambi's.
And McCain supporters are generally of voting age, not 15 years old.
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Old 08-07-2008, 03:59 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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To be sure, we are "spoon fed" the presidential and most other political candidates.

Most people delude themselves that there are differences between the so-called democrats and republicans. In reality, however, the monster had two heads, but the body is one. Our privilege is to choose which set of teeth.

In any case, from my perspective, McCain has little genuine support.

The base of support for McCain is the enthusiastic support for Obama which is a cause of deep concern among those who, certainly the majority of the electorate, are not enthusiastic about Obama.

To be sure, both candidates will continue with the suicidal monetary policy that is at the root of the utter confusion that reigns in resource allocation in the domestic US economy.

The problem is that Obama is really an unknown quantity, especially in terms of fiscal policy. He seems to say whatever appears appealing to his audience at the moment and he appears willing to say, and eventually do, whatever is necessary to garner enough consensus to gain and retain the presidential office.

If the republicans maintain significant influence in Congress meaning, at the least, filibuster power in the Senate, then he may prove to be moderate in terms of fiscal policy.

The biggest risk, however, is, if the democrats gain control of Congress, not only will the government continue with its suicidal monetary policy, it will exacerbate the problems in the domestic economy with suicidal fiscal policies.

With McCain, we have a better chance of avoiding suicidal fiscal policies.

In the final analysis, the choice presented to the voters in this election is between:

1) a relatively slow pace of suicide in terms of the domestic economy (McCain or Obama president, relatively balanced Congress);

2) a faster pace of suicide (Obama president with a democrat-controlled Congress).

In either case, I see no healthy proposals for restoring sanity to our means of exchange, unit of account, and, most of all, our store of value, in other words, the US monetary system and sound money and, ultimately, the mechanism for allocating resources.

We are wasting away.

Good luck!

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Old 08-07-2008, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Florida (SW)
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I don't think it is as close as is being reported. I believe Obama will win in a landslide, a reverse Dukakis type vote.

On a good day, most people find McCain irritating and disagreeable....and he doesnt have many "good days". Even in his staged photo ops with supporters, he reads a speech off the teleprompter and all the applause lines fall flat and he gets flumoxed and trips over the words that someone scripted for him to say.
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Old 08-07-2008, 06:13 AM
 
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Most Republicans will vote for McCain. It matters less what he "looks" like as it does that he can help preserve conservative thought government.

Thoughtful voters will not sell out for physical appearance. Or at least they shouldn't. People shouldn't trivialize their right to vote. If your argument for who will be elected is based on looks, then issues don't matter.
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Old 08-07-2008, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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It seems to me that these folks can't reliably call themselves conservatives anymore. There had to be some kind of metamorphosis to move from conservative thought and conviction to an all out acceptance of left wing ideals. Pro Life? Not anymore. A socialistic view and tax through the roof idealism. Republicans gone astray? I don't believe it. It's not rational
I think the problem is people choosing economic concerns over social concerns. The middle class can no longer afford the free spending lifestyle they are used to leading and they blame the current administration for that. They could give a damn about prolife when they can no longer afford to send their kid to private school. They are sick of the war and their tax dollars funding it. It all comes down to $$$$, some people only worry about social issues when they can afford to do so. We all voted for Bush twice (Lord forgive me) HOPING things would get better and that didn't happen. We saw our party **** on the constitution and tell us to sit quiet in the corner and do as we're told. Fear was exploited to keep people in line and after 8 years, those people are sick of being afraid.

Obama is not the cure all for the current problems, I don't agree with all of what he stands for but I like his willingness to compromise and work with the other side. I admire his background and the hard work he put in to achieve his current place in life. America, to me, has always stood for dreaming the impossible and then achieving it. Obama has shown that ideal through his life and McCain has not IMO.

If you want to call me a liberal for my views then so be it, maybe I have gone to the dark side as some here would say. The beauty of this country is that we have the FREEDOM to change our minds and vote our own conscious. Just because someone else's views are different than mine doesn't make them evil or bad. My own DH is voting Ron Paul and I don't call him names because he doesn't think the same way I do. However name calling and character assassination will most likely result in me posting these thoughts. Call me a 'bot" if you want I don't care anymore.
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Old 08-07-2008, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Florida (SW)
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Most Republicans will vote for McCain. It matters less what he "looks" like as it does that he can help preserve conservative thought government.

Thoughtful voters will not sell out for physical appearance. Or at least they shouldn't. People shouldn't trivialize their right to vote. If your argument for who will be elected is based on looks, then issues don't matter.
It really has nothing to do with the fact that he looks so old and cranky as he makes bad jokes and grimaces. It is that he doesn't understand the world that the voters live in. He clearly doesn't know the difference between a "tire gauge" and a "home page". He says Obama is "out of touch" where as the sad truth is that McCain has "lost touch" with todays challenges and retreats to old positions that he rejected when he was in his prime.

He has been wrapped in a cocoon made of his wife's money and the power and privledge that comes with being a Washington insider for almost 3 decades-- he is clueless about the lives of everyday Americans. He really thinks giving a tax break to Exxon/Mobile makes good economic sense to Americans who can't afford to fill their tanks.

He has no problem with Iraqi having a 8 billion dollar surplus this year while America is mortgaging our grandchildren's future to the Chinese to pay for Iraqi reconstruction, while we neglect our own bridges and highways!
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Old 08-07-2008, 07:07 AM
 
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Obama voted for subsidies for the oil industry -- McCain did not. Look it up.

Tax cuts being proposed by McCain benefit ALL industries. This is good for the economy.

Anyway to the question of this post. Believe it or not -- some support for McCain is coming from the American Muslim community. Although it is a small portion of that group.
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Old 08-07-2008, 08:05 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I've noticed throughout this presidential race that I have not seen much in the way of supportive stickers or even road side boards for McCain. Obama stickers are everywhere I turn, and the roads are lined with campaign signs. To me this doesn't make much sense seeing as how they are both supposed to be neck and neck. Shouldn't McCain's support be up to par with Obama. Wouldn't you think if that many people were supporting him there would be more pro McCain paraphernalia. Or do you think Obama fans are all just fanatics going overboard for their candidate of choice.
By and large, McCain supporters have a life and a job.
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