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Old 08-13-2008, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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"Talking about "hope" is very nice when you're leading by 20 points, but what the Democrat has to do, now that John McCain has evened up the score, is take control of public outrage. He should not recoil from the bitterness that's out there. He should speak to it.

At the very least Mr. Obama must begin to offer an explanation for why things have gone so very wrong over the past seven years. He should tell us how, say, the failures of Iraq reconstruction were made inevitable by the conservative philosophy that "government should be market-based," as Mr. Bush once put it.


Besides, attacking Mr. McCain himself is pointless. The man no longer stands for anything. He has transformed himself from a maverick into a cipher, a hood ornament on a hit-and-run machine."

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Interesting.
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:21 AM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Mccain has caught up to Obama and not sure he has stopped climbing .

Whenever Obama is seen with Pelosi he loses ground .
I dont understand why his camp doesnt see this.

It would be like Mccain being seen with Cheney .
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:38 AM
 
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"Talking about "hope" is very nice when you're leading by 20 points, but what the Democrat has to do, now that John McCain has evened up the score, is take control of public outrage. He should not recoil from the bitterness that's out there. He should speak to it.

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Totally agree. I dont know what they think they're doing over there in the Obama camp. That better be one massive rabbit they pull out of that hat.
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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The best that conservatives can hope for, I think, is that public opinion will simply harden into a cynicism toward government generally -- that people will transfer the blame for the recent period of conservative misrule to the very institutions that conservatives have abused so grotesquely. There are, naturally, plenty of pundits who have encouraged this blame-the-victim interpretation over the years, and they will be gratified to learn that the public seems to be buying it.
I think Mukasey got it right when he accused the system of failing in regards to career position hiring at the Justice Department. It wasn't just that a few people gamed the system. The system itself failed. It failed because we as citizens are divided into teams rather than Americans who are vigilant towards our government. The author of this piece seems to want to keep it that way. Bipartisanship has no place in his America. He wants to keep us chomping at the bits zigging after 8 years of zagging. It's destructive and Obama knows it.
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Mccain has caught up to Obama and not sure he has stopped climbing .

Whenever Obama is seen with Pelosi he loses ground .
I dont understand why his camp doesnt see this.

It would be like Mccain being seen with Cheney .
Math. While the perception in the polls points to Senator Obama and McCain holding a virtual tie (or a slight lead by Senator Obama) a quick math calculation based upon GOP decline and Democrat record registrations and influx since 2006 mid-terms, as well as record support from Hispanics, (Pew & Brooking's) will lead one to conclude the very real possibility of a large win for Senator Obama. 50% support from a small pool vs. a large pool.
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I think Mukasey got it right when he accused the system of failing in regards to career position hiring at the Justice Department. It wasn't just that a few people gamed the system. The system itself failed. It failed because we as citizens are divided into teams rather than Americans who are vigilant towards our government. The author of this piece seems to want to keep it that way. Bipartisanship has no place in his America. He wants to keep us chomping at the bits zigging after 8 years of zagging. It's destructive and Obama knows it.
This does appear to be the consensus from the Obama camp, in fact their entire campaign has been predicated upon this very message. The call for Unity as Americans is very strong and folks appear to be very tired of the "them-us" mentality. We like our neighbors, even if we disagree we're all in the same boat, and in general we're willing to compromise in order to get things done. The majority of us are "raised to compromise" by our parents - do your homework and you can go play. Society perpetuates this at every level, from spending, shopping to our jobs. The last 7 years has seen less compromise and too much greed, and I'm betting we've learned a Generational lesson, or at least I hope.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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This does appear to be the consensus from the Obama camp, in fact their entire campaign has been predicated upon this very message. The call for Unity as Americans is very strong and folks appear to be very tired of the "them-us" mentality. We like our neighbors, even if we disagree we're all in the same boat, and in general we're willing to compromise in order to get things done. The majority of us are "raised to compromise" by our parents - do your homework and you can go play. Society perpetuates this at every level, from spending, shopping to our jobs. The last 7 years has seen less compromise and too much greed, and I'm betting we've learned a Generational lesson, or at least I hope.
Hillary spent too much of the primary race talking about Bush. The Democrats in general have spent the last 2 years complaining about the Republicans in Congress. America is tired of this crap. We want some real solutions. Some of us want them to do less and get out of the way. Others want the government to do more. It's not in the result that we differ, just how to get there: A free and prosperous America.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Math. While the perception in the polls points to Senator Obama and McCain holding a virtual tie (or a slight lead by Senator Obama) a quick math calculation based upon GOP decline and Democrat record registrations and influx since 2006 mid-terms, as well as record support from Hispanics, (Pew & Brooking's) will lead one to conclude the very real possibility of a large win for Senator Obama. 50% support from a small pool vs. a large pool.
Agreed. An accurate assessment.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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"Talking about "hope" is very nice when you're leading by 20 points, but what the Democrat has to do, now that John McCain has evened up the score, is take control of public outrage. He should not recoil from the bitterness that's out there. He should speak to it.

At the very least Mr. Obama must begin to offer an explanation for why things have gone so very wrong over the past seven years. He should tell us how, say, the failures of Iraq reconstruction were made inevitable by the conservative philosophy that "government should be market-based," as Mr. Bush once put it.


Besides, attacking Mr. McCain himself is pointless. The man no longer stands for anything. He has transformed himself from a maverick into a cipher, a hood ornament on a hit-and-run machine."

SOURCE

Interesting.
This is where someone like Obama has to tread lightly. Americans who voted--twice--for our currently failed economic and governmental conditions, did so knowing that it was against their own best interest. What possesses people to vote against their own best economic best interests? Many reasons; but suffice it to say that they don't want to hear those reasons from Barack Obama. He made that mistake during the primaries. I doubt he wants to go there again.

What's ironic is that when he did criticize people for voting against their best interests, the mainstream media jumped all over him; called him "elitist". Now the media is suggesting that, in order for him to be successful, he has to do the very thing they criticized him for.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:15 AM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Math. While the perception in the polls points to Senator Obama and McCain holding a virtual tie (or a slight lead by Senator Obama) a quick math calculation based upon GOP decline and Democrat record registrations and influx since 2006 mid-terms, as well as record support from Hispanics, (Pew & Brooking's) will lead one to conclude the very real possibility of a large win for Senator Obama. 50% support from a small pool vs. a large pool.

I agree your correct the small GOP vs Dem elections have gone DEM. Well ,enough have to make your point but for Pres its going to be diff.

In Jewish areas of Florida where Dems are normally way ahead Mccain is ahead it was Florida news last night . They dont trust Obama as far as Israel goes.

There are Conservative Dem areas of PA my old state which doesn't like him. He still might get enough of the vote to win but its going to be close.

The small races even the trend of "time for a change thus lets go Dem " doesn't apply to Mccain and Obama if so he would be ahead in polls and not Mccain slowly catching him if not tied as is.
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