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08-18-2008, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sanrene
There is no way he could tell Warren, or anybody else, that life begins at conception even if he believes it himself.
The kook-left of the party would not tolerate the proposition that a fetus could actual be a human being. As long as they continue to deny that life begins at conception, they can continue to advocate killing "fetuses".
They would have nailed him to the wall if he said it.
It's unfortunate one has to be told what they should believe from outsourcing.
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On the other hand, there is no way McCain would be allowed to elaborate on his pro life stance. He would never be permitted to use common sense and explain that personal views aside, he recognizes that if Roe vs. Wade were overturned, abortions would not cease. We would go back to the age of back-room botched abortions that would cause the death of many young women. Nor could he propose that in the instance of rape, or severe fetal deformity, abortion should remain an option. Nor could he even advocate the use of birth control and propose ways to make it accessible to everyone to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
The kook evangelical right makes sure that no realism enters into the discussion.
Last edited by songgirl; 08-18-2008 at 01:31 AM..
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08-18-2008, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Who?Me?!
That's"" "too" much credit"".....and now you saying something about intellectual ability.....
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Oh my Allah <swt>, I left out the big O.  Actually yes, Id love to contest you but it would be like beating a dumb animal, I don't need PETA picketing my door. 
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08-18-2008, 06:03 AM
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Cressbeckler 08
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Originally Posted by WingsOfGold
Oh my Allah <swt>, I left out the big O.  Actually yes, Id love to contest you but it would be like beating a dumb animal, I don't need PETA picketing my door. 
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Please then if you are concerned with contesting that post describe to me why I should subscribe to your ideas.
All you have in your post is trash talk without anything to back it up.
I am willing to debate whatever actual substance (I actually haven't seen a single post of yours with substance) you care to provide. No slander, no fairy tales, no cheap shots; nothing but issues.
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08-18-2008, 09:53 AM
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Army Mama for Obama
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So we had Mr. "Aw Shucks" vs. Mr. 'I Over-think Everything". Tough choice.
As someone who actually values:
education,
philosophy,
reading and trying to understand history,
thinking before acting and/or speaking,
the sacrifices that my son and others in the military make every day as well as those my parents and grandparents made during the depression and WWII
being told the truth about what it will take to get this country back on track as much as I don't want to hear it or pay for it
Sen. Obama all the way.
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08-18-2008, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by georgia dem
I went from voting for MCCain
to supporting MCCain,
he was great!
MCCAIN '08
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I agreed with Obama's answer's over MCcain's as I am pro choice,etc but I agree with you.
MCcain scored on Sat . Obama did not .
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08-18-2008, 11:59 AM
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There was one topic that McCain had first hand knowledge about and Obama had no knowledge of....... How to cheat on your wife! If that veiled attempt by McCain to cut everyone off at the pass by using his divorce in the answer so that at a future date he can say that, " I have already said that my divorce was something i truly regret", was a ploy to stop the future questions over it, it was as transparent as glass.
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08-18-2008, 12:21 PM
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I am not one to praise McCain, normally, but it was a slam dunk for him. There was just no comparison. McCain looked sure and direct and Obama seemed uncertain and not wanting to take a definite stand on much of anything, although I was surprised by a few of his answers and appreciated what he said.
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08-18-2008, 01:57 PM
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Gallup Daily: Obama at 46%, McCain at 43%
PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama has returned to a slight three percentage point lead over John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily tracking for Aug. 15-17, with Obama at 46% and McCain at 43% among registered voters.
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08-18-2008, 06:10 PM
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Though many say that Senator McCain “won” the debate, that determination relies on simplistic evaluations of how ‘quickly’ McCain replied, or how forcefully, etc. Such evaluations are meaningless. The content and substance of his remarks counts more.
By way of substance, McCain displayed nothing but standard-issue GOP talking points; the same Rovian dogma we’ve seen these past eight years. He told the fundies in Mr. Warren’s church what they wanted to hear: Overturn Roe v Wade; pack the SCOTUS with partisan hacks who will decide cases on party dogma instead of constitutional principles; destroy evil (though evil was not defined); and more.
The fundies lust for blood was obvious when McCain talked about “destroying evil.” The crowd approved and Warren beamed that his toady puked out his lines so well. The fundies love to destroy things and people - especially people, people of other colors, women, and those who don’t agree with their Taliban style religion of “our way or else.”
McCain sat in vastly partisan turf of the evangelical right, an abomination of its own - we’re electing a president, not a pope. These debates should be held in purely neutral venues, not in any church, synagogue, cathedral, temple or mosque. By having a debate in a fundie church, it violates the First Amendment as it is a de facto establishment of fundie evangelicalism as our national religion. I can assure you it is NOT.
In advance of this “debate” the Rovian thugs gave McCain supersize enema’s of GOP dogma talking points laced with speed. When the subject of education and schools came up, McCain began bouncing around in his chair like an epileptic parrot in a full spasmodic fit, barking his lines like a Pavlovian trained cur: “choice, competition, choice, competition” until the crowd roared their approval of yet another GOP big lie. McCain gave back that patented village idiot grin, his glee evident - glee that he actually remembered the rote lines pumped into him all week by the Rovian clowns.
I’ve no doubt that McCain heard what was going on while Senator Obama was on stage. There’s no way that a guy who usually speaks as stupidly and haphazardly as Bush could actually be lucid for an hour. It was all a stage-managed sham of the far right. I’d love to see McCain in a true “cone of silence” at a debate held in a major black church, like Ebenezer Baptist in Atlanta, or the Abyssinian Baptist in Harlem. That would be a much better measure of the man.
There was NO new material presented by either candidate. My vote remains with the DEMs this election.
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08-18-2008, 06:13 PM
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Wow it must really be hard to judge anything accurately with such hate filled eyes.
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