Who did the best at the warren interviews (politicians, supporter, constitutional)

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by sanrene

Tuborg, you are getting hysterical.

McCain believes the states should determine the abortion issue. I agree with that. Whether you agree with Roe or not, there is concensus, even among liberal lawyers, that the court pulled the decision out of their butts. It was and is bad law.

States rights, my friend.

John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President

John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, "At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level."

Sounds like he will use the power of his administration to end it at the state level while he waits to make a court change and end it at the national level. You can't have human rights beginning in one state at a point later then another and have equal protection under the law and you are bright enough to know that.

[silas777]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Well then woman be prepared to be incarcerated for human rights violations in a McCain American and remember he committed his administration to enforcing pro life policies. thus if you are pregnant and smoke you might be charged with a human rights violation and prosecuted. Why not McCain was straight to the point with out reflection and no ifs or buts so get ready for jail time. No wiggle room under him at conception human rights and you have violated them don't forget proper nutrition the human rights office of conception affairs will be there. His administration is committed to it. Now Obama understands the ramifications but hey who needs understanding we want forcefull yes it is.

Tuborg , we know you are really not that much of an Ignoramus, right? If a President could do that it would already be the law of the land, since we have had a prolife President 20 of the last 28 years. You of course realize how laws become laws!

[TuborgP]

Yeah and read my posts from the McCain web site which was probably up before you posted yours so I won't be critical. If one state outlaws it then it will become a equal protection under the law case that his administration will do a friend of the court brief to throw out Roe v Wade? If human rights begins at birth by his definition then equal protection under the law becomes a big issue. Oh I know the law and the use of the constitution very well. I can see through his plan. He only needs one state and the games begin. Now if he is able to make a Supreme Court appointment it becomes even more important.

[Ibginnie]

I was just thinking....

Why did Obama have to put so much thought and consideration into his answers? Did he not have any beliefs and/or convictions formulated prior to Saturday night? Whether or not the questions were known before the forum surely he knew where he stood on the subject matters.

[TuborgP]

Abortion Law Development: A Brief Overview
Abortion Law Development: A Brief Overview
Between 1968 and 1972, abortion statutes of many states were challenged on the grounds of vagueness, violation of the fundamental right of privacy, and denial of equal protection. In 1973, the Court ruled in Roe and Doe that Texas and Georgia statutes regulating abortion interfered to an unconstitutional extent with a woman's right to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy. The decisions rested upon the conclusion that the Fourteenth Amendment right of personal privacy encompassed a woman's decision whether to carry a pregnancy to term.

To call me a ingnoramus usually reflects a lack of a quality education at an advanced level

What was done under equal protection can also be undone.
School over.
don't worry it is a self exam you either get it or you don't and remember the power of friend of the court briefs and court appointments including at the state level.

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by Ibginnie

I was just thinking....

Why did Obama have to put so much thought and consideration into his answers? Did he not have any beliefs and/or convictions formulated prior to Saturday night? Whether or not the questions were known before the forum surely he knew where he stood on the subject matters.

Complex problems are not simply answered. For one to accept simple answers to our complex problems is to invite a repeat of the past 7 1/2 years.

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by Ibginnie

I was just thinking....

Why did Obama have to put so much thought and consideration into his answers? Did he not have any beliefs and/or convictions formulated prior to Saturday night? Whether or not the questions were known before the forum surely he knew where he stood on the subject matters.

Do you really want your attorney to make a 15 second closing argument or do you want one that is reflective and shows reasoning behind the final statement of not guilty. Or do you want one where your lawyer says;
" She didn't do it, read my lips my client is innocent. I rest my case".

[silas777]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Complex problems are not simply answered. For one to accept simple answers to our complex problems is to invite a repeat of the past 7 1/2 years.

So if someone asked you, "When does life begin?" You would consider that a complex problem, that cannot have a simple answer?
What about, at birth! I mean, there is , conception, 9 months, (3 trimesters) of pregancy and then Birth. How difficult is that to answer? (That is above my pay grade!)

[Ibginnie]

Tuborg, I agree with all you have said however, it just appeared to me that he was digging very deeply inside himself to answer the questions. I know how I feel about everything that was asked of McCain and Obama and unless I was speaking to one individual person that may not communicate in the same manner that I do I probably would just spew my thoughts.

Think about it. As a former teacher (English, right?) Your posts here projected to the masses. You write in a cogent manner and rarely come back and define what you meant. I doubt that everyone has the same level of cognition as you, evidenced by the queries to you sarcasm.

I am not attempting to denigrate Obama. Any would be hard pressed to find where I have. It's not my style. I just thought it curious that every question needed that level of contemplation.

[NewToCA]

Bottom line to me is that even Keith Olbermann and Howard Fineman said that McCain did better than Obama.

Kind of puts the issue at closure, all the Obama supporters can do now is try to smear McCain as a cheater.

If they can prove it, good for them. If they can't it diminishes Obama's performance even farther.