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08-18-2008, 09:40 PM
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Barring the 'when does life begin question' which is one of those questions, if you believe you know that answer, you cannot understand how another person cannot, I think that it is interesting to look at the other answers they both gave. I do have to say that I did like some Obama's response to the evil question. Evil has been around since time began, to glibly state that one can 'defeat' evil, in my mind, shows that one hasn't thought too deeply on the subject. Evil can and should be confronted, it is not something that can be defeated, or greater men and women than any of us would have done so by now. This was one question in which, when McCain answered it, I actually laughed and left the room to get a drink. I was suprised that he took such a shallow and glib approach to such complex a topic especially given his experiences (my grandfather was a WWII vet who saw the horrors of the Holocaust first-hand, he would have never answered the question of evil that way).
Now, do I believe that McCain spoke better to the audience at hand? Yes, I do. But I guess I am not that audience, and while Obama's answers were not as eloquently and clearly delivered, and he spoke a bit more haltingly, I liked the spirit of his answers for the most part (except for how he handled the abortion issue, he handled that question poorly and I groaned when he answered that and almost audibly muttered 'honestly Obama, you can do better than that') better than McCain's.
For the record, I do not believe McCain cheated at all, I find that a rather silly accusation without merit. However, I wished he would have been honest about his location when asked and quit with the 'cone of silence' ruse.
I did not vote in this poll, because quite frankly, I'm not sure who 'did better'.
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08-18-2008, 09:42 PM
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Tuborg, I agree with all you have said however, it just appeared to me that he was digging very deeply inside himself to answer the questions. I know how I feel about everything that was asked of McCain and Obama and unless I was speaking to one individual person that may not communicate in the same manner that I do I probably would just spew my thoughts.
Think about it. As a former teacher (English, right?) Your posts here projected to the masses. You write in a cogent manner and rarely come back and define what you meant. I doubt that everyone has the same level of cognition as you, evidenced by the queries to you sarcasm.
I am not attempting to denigrate Obama. Any would be hard pressed to find where I have. It's not my style. I just thought it curious that every question needed that level of contemplation.
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Abortion Law Development: A Brief Overview
The Supreme Court's decisions in Roe and Doe did not address a number of important abortion-related issues which have been raised subsequently by state actions seeking to restrict the scope of the Court's rulings. These include the issues of informed consent, spousal consent, parental consent, and reporting requirements. In addition, Roe and Doe never resolved the question of what, if any, type of abortion procedures may be required or prohibited by statute. In 1989, the Court indicated in Webster v. Reproductive Health Services, 492 U. S. 490, that, while it was not overruling Roe and Doe, it was willing to apply a less stringent standard of review to state restrictions respecting a woman's right to an abortion. Then, in 1992, in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), the Court rejected specifically Roe's strict scrutiny standard and adopted the undue burden analysis. Finally, in 2000, the Court in Stenberg v. Carhart, 530 U. S. 914, 120 S. Ct. 2597 (2000), determined that a Nebraska statute prohibiting the performance of "partial-birth" abortions is unconstitutional.
read the entire provided link and if you think it is a simple answer then ok. But remember as a lawyer he is more then familiar with the history of and the many ramifications of. First question that always needs to be answered is the right of the woman and the right of the child. That begs the immediate question of conception born out of a severe rape. Now McCain in his succinct answer is saying that that child is to be carried to birth and cared for by the mother. Yes?
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08-18-2008, 09:45 PM
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I'm not certain who did the best. I had the unique situation of watching the first half and then leaving for a social function.
I watched the second half later, and thus, was left with two very distinct and separate impressions of both candidates.
Strange when I watched it this way, I got the impression that the crowd was very much in tune with Senator Obama and very warm, welcoming.
Later, for Senator McCain I felt there were some definite cheerleaders, or perhaps folks who were very predetermined regarding his positions. He had great crowd reaction as well.
I retrospect it appears the crowd was a little more predisposed to Senator McCain, Senator Obama was applauded more often, for whatever that's worth.
Looking at the overall interviews in a "double vacuum" lol, I suppose on a personal level I prefer Senator Obama's answers overall, it is a novice view to think the world is black & white, and dangerous for a Commander in Chief to believe it so. I believe Senator McCain did exceptionally well, he was funny, well prepared and direct. Both candidates chose key moments to be evasive, I suppose they wouldn't be politicians if they hadn't mastered this integral quality.
In the end I believe the candidates had a unique opportunity to show the viewers more of who they were and how they think, and that is what I have been primarily interested in, when researching the candidates - so I was satisfied with a much more in depth view.
I hope this addresses the op, I really didn't view this as a contest, as much as a window into the thought process and core of what makes a person tick.
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One of the most honest, unbiased post on the subject. If you are an Obama backer you would have liked Obama's answers. If you were a McCain backer you were obviously pleased with McCain.
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08-18-2008, 09:51 PM
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One of the most honest, unbiased post on the subject. If you are an Obama backer you would have liked Obama's answers. If you were a McCain backer you were obviously pleased with McCain.
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I am backing Obama 100% and I did NOT like his performance at all. He should have been on his game better. And he had better top that in the debates. He is just lucky that only a few political junkies watched that show while the other 200 million were watching the Olympics. That is not gonna fly at debate time.
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08-18-2008, 09:52 PM
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I am backing Obama 100% and I did NOT like his performance at all. He should have been on his game better. And he had better top that in the debates. He is just lucky that only a few political junkies watched that show while the other 200 million were watching the Olympics. That is not gonna fly at debate time.
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Kudos for your honest answer...
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08-18-2008, 09:54 PM
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One of the most honest, unbiased post on the subject. If you are an Obama backer you would have liked Obama's answers. If you were a McCain backer you were obviously pleased with McCain.
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My personal view is that they eached accomplished their missions and each mission was very different. McCain is Pro Life in front of a Pro Life audience and just has to agree. Obama is Pro life in front of a Pro Choice and needs to explain his position.
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08-18-2008, 09:55 PM
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Abortion Law Development: A Brief Overview
The Supreme Court's decisions in Roe and Doe did not address a number of important abortion-related issues which have been raised subsequently by state actions seeking to restrict the scope of the Court's rulings. These include the issues of informed consent, spousal consent, parental consent, and reporting requirements. In addition, Roe and Doe never resolved the question of what, if any, type of abortion procedures may be required or prohibited by statute. In 1989, the Court indicated in Webster v. Reproductive Health Services, 492 U. S. 490, that, while it was not overruling Roe and Doe, it was willing to apply a less stringent standard of review to state restrictions respecting a woman's right to an abortion. Then, in 1992, in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), the Court rejected specifically Roe's strict scrutiny standard and adopted the undue burden analysis. Finally, in 2000, the Court in Stenberg v. Carhart, 530 U. S. 914, 120 S. Ct. 2597 (2000), determined that a Nebraska statute prohibiting the performance of "partial-birth" abortions is unconstitutional.
read the entire provided link and if you think it is a simple answer then ok. But remember as a lawyer he is more then familiar with the history of and the many ramifications of. First question that always needs to be answered is the right of the woman and the right of the child. That begs the immediate question of conception born out of a severe rape. Now McCain in his succinct answer is saying that that child is to be carried to birth and cared for by the mother. Yes?
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Tuborg, Warren did not ask anything about abortion, It was simply, when does life begin? Now you have been doing a very good job of making the case why Obama didnt give a straight answer, because he understood the political ramification's. Whereas McCain gave a straight answer regardless of the political fallout.
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08-18-2008, 09:57 PM
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To me, this means that Obama has thoughtfully come to his own beliefs.
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Really, and what might those be because he sure can't articulate them.
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08-18-2008, 10:05 PM
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Abortion Law Development: A Brief Overview Brief? Yeah right. Thank God I didn't go into law.
read the entire provided link and if you think it is a simple answer then ok. But remember as a lawyer he is more then familiar with the history of and the many ramifications of. First question that always needs to be answered is the right of the woman and the right of the child. That begs the immediate question of conception born out of a severe rape. Now McCain in his succinct answer is saying that that child is to be carried to birth and cared for by the mother. Yes?
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When we are dealing with medicine and law there is no simple answer. For me the answer is simple. That is my belief and opinion and for me it is the right one.
I do see your point about him being a lawyer and the thought process that would go into a response based on law. I just thought that the question was asked with regard to his personal view.
As for your last question I could go on for days. That is, however, a subject for another thread.
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08-18-2008, 10:06 PM
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Since McCain belives that a baby has human rights at conception will McCain prosecute woman for child abuse if they fail to exercise full pre natal care?
Prenatal Care
should woman be prosecuted for failure to follow and will it be considered a human rights violation. Yes Obama understands the ramifications and yes is the more thoughtful of the two. Yes you could say reflective vs impulsive.
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As a matter of fact read this if you are truly interested. It has been in the courts off and on for some time now. Women can be charged for abuse. They are mostly charged when drugs are involved but I can see one day if women smoke or drink too much and it harms the baby they will/can be charged with child abuse. It is not that unbelievable.
In South Carolina, prosecutors have charged a woman with murdering her fetus, claiming her abuse of cocaine caused a stillbirth. This is the latest in a series of criminal charges again pregnant women for using alcohol or drugs.
Cocaine User Charged With Fetal Murder
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